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Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

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again... a single isolated incident is not harrassment. according to her own story, this woman was not sexually assaulted and she was not harassed. If true, Cain made a rude crude remark to her. It's a smear campaign plain and simple. I wish I had a dollar for every rude/crude comment I have made over the last 48 years.

Cain traveling under her skirt with his hand on her private areas while mentioning her need for employment is indeed harassment.
 
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again... a single isolated incident is not harrassment. according to her own story, this woman was not sexually assaulted and she was not harassed. If true, Cain made a rude crude remark to her. It's a smear campaign plain and simple. I wish I had a dollar for every rude/crude comment I have made over the last 48 years.

There were 4 incidents oscar not one...4 that we know of...this may not be over yet
 
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Women who have been sexually abused or harassed and didnt report it immediately usually has it fester...and when they see other women coming forward about the same individual they get mad all over again...there is strength or maybe comfort in numbers.
Ask most any woman why they didnt report sexual abuse or harassment right away and the answers are always the same...for what no one would believe me..I couldnt prove it his word against mine...hes a bigshot ceo they will protect him...or..I handled it myself...
All those reasons doesnt mean women are lieing...I dont think theres a single person on this forum who believes all 4 of those women are lieing

so they let it "fester" for 10+ years?
What has been reported also does not prove Cain is lying or did what he is accused of.

I am not a Cain supporter, I do have a question, Bill Clinton survived the sh claims, what makes this different?
 
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gotta say
this one does not pass the smell test
woman appears to be quite self serving in her actions

if cain is able to expose her fraud, then that would undermine the accusations of the other - likely truthful - victims of his sexual harassment
 
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Cain traveling under her skirt with his hand on her private areas while mentioning her need for employment is indeed harassment.

please look up the definition of "harassment". his alleged actions might be considered "assault" but it is NOT harassment. harassment requires a pattern of behavior, not a one time event.
 
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There were 4 incidents oscar not one...4 that we know of...this may not be over yet

with 4 separate individuals. that is a pattern of rude behavior NOT harassment.


If I tell 4 women "you have nice tits" that is not harassment

If I tell the same woman 4 times "you have nice tits" that would be harassment and only then if she told me to stop and I did not.

we are forced to attend EO/SH training on a regular basis. It is harped upon and hammered home all the smegging time.
 
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the article itself states no one knew what she was saying to him. perhaps this woman wants her day to be a star, who knows? doesn't change anything, 3 other women have accused him, and two received financial settlements. don't you think you should treat cain the same way republicans treated clinton?
 
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harassment requires a pattern of behavior, not a one time event.

So a woman is supposed to ignore the first time it happens and wait for a pattern to emerge before reporting it?
 
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with 4 separate individuals. that is a pattern of rude behavior NOT harassment.

no, not true. where do you get that oscar?
 
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don't you think you should treat cain the same way republicans treated clinton?

sure...let him be POTUS for two terms :lamo
 
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no, not true. where do you get that oscar?

from the actual legal definition of harassment.

Sexual harassment refers to persistent and unwanted sexual advances, typically in the workplace, where the consequences of refusing are potentially very disadvantageous to the victim.

If I make a rude/crude comment to you and you do not tell me to stop, I have no way of knowing that such behavior is unwanted. therefore if I continue it is not harassment.

If I make a rude/crude comment to you and you tell me to stop, and I do, it is not harassment because the behavior is not persistent
 
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with 4 separate individuals. that is a pattern of rude behavior NOT harassment.


If I tell 4 women "you have nice tits" that is not harassment

If I tell the same woman 4 times "you have nice tits" that would be harassment and only then if she told me to stop and I did not.

we are forced to attend EO/SH training on a regular basis. It is harped upon and hammered home all the smegging time.

Wait, what? There is a certain number of incidents she has to tolerate before she can report it?
 
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with 4 separate individuals. that is a pattern of rude behavior NOT harassment.


If I tell 4 women "you have nice tits" that is not harassment

If I tell the same woman 4 times "you have nice tits" that would be harassment and only then if she told me to stop and I did not.

we are forced to attend EO/SH training on a regular basis. It is harped upon and hammered home all the smegging time.

That is a fundamental misunderstanding of sexual harassment.
 
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Looks like our dear accuser has a long history of financial struggles and legal battles with creditors.

Herman Cain accuser has history of financial troubles, legal squabbles - chicagotribune.com

I'm sure she never considered bilking an employer for cash to help pay off some of this. That never happens.

If he truly sexually harassed her, why settle for so little money? Sorry, I don't buy what some bat@#$% crazy woman says, who appears to live her life with no sense of personal or financial responsiblity. She sounds like someone on Judge Judy.
 
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So a woman is supposed to ignore the first time it happens and wait for a pattern to emerge before reporting it?
Not necessarily. It depends on the nature of the harassment...


Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination.The legal definition of sexual harassment is “unwelcome verbal, visual, or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”

ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work
 
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from the actual legal definition of harassment.



a one time incident is NOT persistent

Where did you get that from?
 
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from the actual legal definition of harassment.



a one time incident is NOT persistent

but you're referring to ONE of his accusers, not the 2 who received settlements. anyway, i'm not sure harassment has to be persistent.
 
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from the actual legal definition of harassment.



a one time incident is NOT persistent
let's compare notes:
... Courts and employers generally use the definition of sexual harassment contained in the guidelines of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). This language has also formed the basis for most state laws prohibiting sexual harassment. The guidelines state:

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when

submission to such conduct is made either explicitly or implicitly a term or condition of an individual's employment,
submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as the basis for employment decisions affecting such individuals, or
such conduct has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an individual's work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment. (29 C.F.R. § 1604.11 [1980]) ...
sexual harassment legal definition of sexual harassment. sexual harassment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.


while a trend would likely be more damning, i do not see where a persistent pattern must be evident to find that sexual harassment was committed
 
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but you're referring to ONE of his accusers, not the 2 who received settlements.

Companies pay off these kind of people all the time. $35K is nothing compared to court costs.

If you were sexually harassed, would you settle for that little?
 
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please look up the definition of "harassment". his alleged actions might be considered "assault" but it is NOT harassment. harassment requires a pattern of behavior, not a one time event.
Not true. It can be a "one time" event if it's "severe."


The conduct of the harasser must either be severe or it must be pervasive to be sexual harassment. A single incident is probably not sexual harassment unless it is severe. For example, a single incident of rape or attempted rape would probably be sexual harassment (it would also violate criminal laws).

ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work
 
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Not true. It can be a "one time" event if it's "severe."

The conduct of the harasser must either be severe or it must be pervasive to be sexual harassment. A single incident is probably not sexual harassment unless it is severe. For example, a single incident of rape or attempted rape would probably be sexual harassment (it would also violate criminal laws).

ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work

since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe
 
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from the actual legal definition of harassment.



If I make a rude/crude comment to you and you do not tell me to stop, I have no way of knowing that such behavior is unwanted. therefore if I continue it is not harassment.

If I make a rude/crude comment to you and you tell me to stop, and I do, it is not harassment because the behavior is not persistent

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following:

The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex.
The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee.
The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.
Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim.
The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome.

It is helpful for the victim to directly inform the harasser that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance system available.

When investigating allegations of sexual harassment, EEOC looks at the whole record: the circumstances, such as the nature of the sexual advances, and the context in which the alleged incidents occurred. A determination on the allegations is made from the facts on a case-by-case basis.

Prevention is the best tool to eliminate sexual harassment in the workplace. Employers are encouraged to take steps necessary to prevent sexual harassment from occurring. They should clearly communicate to employees that sexual harassment will not be tolerated. They can do so by establishing an effective complaint or grievance process and taking immediate and appropriate action when an employee complains.

From the EEOC

Facts About Sexual Harassment

I don't see the words pattern or arbitrary numbers one must tolerate before reporting.
 
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Companies pay off these kind of people all the time. $35K is nothing compared to court costs.

If you were sexually harassed, would you settle for that little?
$35,000 to someone making that in a year is not little. You cannot determine if there was or was not sexual harassment based on someone accepting a years salary as compensation.
 
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