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Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

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MaggieD said:
I don't consider her story to be sexual harrassment. She wasn't an employee of the company any longer. She was out on a date. Does every guy who makes a pass get to have accusations of sexual harrassment thrown at him later? If he didn't say, "You want a job, don'tcha?" there was absolutely nothing wrong with this encounter. If he did say that, then, well, he's smarmy. And who knows if he said that? We never will...but she'll get her 15 minutes.

This lady should've kept her mouth shut. She looks the fool.
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especially coming out with gloria allred. really? :roll:

and the script reads.... odd to me. never discounting the tendency of powerful men to assume they are above consequences, it strikes me as way too crude... like a feminist script of how these moments should go.

I remain unconvinced.
 
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hey, i'm giving you a job, a job in return only seems fair :mrgreen:
 
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MaggieD said:
I don't consider her story to be sexual harrassment. She wasn't an employee of the company any longer. She was out on a date. Does every guy who makes a pass get to have accusations of sexual harrassment thrown at him later? If he didn't say, "You want a job, don'tcha?" there was absolutely nothing wrong with this encounter. If he did say that, then, well, he's smarmy. And who knows if he said that? We never will...but she'll get her 15 minutes.

This lady should've kept her mouth shut. She looks the fool.
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Gloria Allred only circles these trash heaps when there is something to pick...I smell a book deal on the chance that Cain goes further.


j-mac
 
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I honestly think that - aside from his marriage vows - Herman Cain did not do anything wrong with the Bialek woman until she objected and he mentioned the possibility of employment connected with where his hand had traveled. That is where he got into ethical trouble as far as harassment went. Up until that point, he was a man making a pass a a rather attractive woman who he had just had dinner with and was in a parked car with him. I am sure that same physical move happens thousands of times every day. To his credit, he stopped and then obeyed her request to drive her back. His ethical harassment problem is with the connection of the roaming hands to the possibility of employment.
 
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If this was the only incident involving this woman and he stopped when she asked him to...it is in no way, shape or form "harassment". Too many people mistake a single crude/rude/obnoxious comment for harassment.
 
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haymarket said:
I honestly think that - aside from his marriage vows - Herman Cain did not do anything wrong with the Bialek woman until she objected and he mentioned the possibility of employment connected with where his hand had traveled. That is where he got into ethical trouble as far as harassment went. Up until that point, he was a man making a pass a a rather attractive woman who he had just had dinner with and was in a parked car with him. I am sure that same physical move happens thousands of times every day. To his credit, he stopped and then obeyed her request to drive her back. His ethical harassment problem is with the connection of the roaming hands to the possibility of employment.
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Exactly. And, of course, we'll never know if he said that or not. All we know is that, apparently, she didn't get the job. ;) She should've kept her mouth shut.
 
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MaggieD said:
Exactly. And, of course, we'll never know if he said that or not. All we know is that, apparently, she didn't get the job. ;) She should've kept her mouth shut.
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or maybe she should've opened it up ;)
 
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MaggieD said:
Damn you, Oscar. I am not going to like that post. :rofl
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He'd better not run for office anytime in the future, this is sexual harassment.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Settlements mean nothing other than the legal dept. decided that it was cheaper to settle than litigate. BTW, was anyone charged? Convicted? Aren't those the bars set largely by libs when these things come up?


j-mac
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If one has a large resource then settlements offer a very convenient way of quieting someone. Then if it ever comes out about the settlement one can simply say he was innocent and this was just the cheaper way to go, but I am innocent.

When it is one's integrity I would think you would want to settle it for once and all and not just quiet it.

In this country with a large resource you have a pretty good chance of getting off the hook by quieting them with a cash buyout or getting a OJ Simpson defense attorney team.
 
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j-mac said:
Gloria Allred only circles these trash heaps when there is something to pick...I smell a book deal on the chance that Cain goes further.


j-mac
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Hate her or love her, unlike sleazy junk food dorks like cain, she performs a valuable service to the country. People like her protect the sexual freedoms of women :)

The relentless zeal of attorneys/prosecutors who pursue sexual harrassment charges is a big reason why girls can go out in public and dress up any way they like without fear of being raped because "she asked for it."
 
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Crosscheck said:
If one has a large resource then settlements offer a very convenient way of quieting someone. Then if it ever comes out about the settlement one can simply say he was innocent and this was just the cheaper way to go, but I am innocent.

When it is one's integrity I would think you would want to settle it for once and all and not just quiet it.

In this country with a large resource you have a pretty good chance of getting off the hook by quieting them with a cash buyout or getting a OJ Simpson defense attorney team.
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So in your eyes then, and I don't want to put words in your mouth here, so you are free to make it more clear, but if I understand what you are saying here, all one has to do is offer a charge without proof, and that is enough for you? Does that standard apply to those in which you agree with ideologically as well?


j-mac
 
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MaggieD said:
Exactly. And, of course, we'll never know if he said that or not. All we know is that, apparently, she didn't get the job. ;) She should've kept her mouth shut.
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You could be right Maggie. I suspect that if Cain had not been leading in the republican polls, she would have. Perhaps she felt she should talk now or risk being saddled with a President Cain down the road and that bothered her?

One other thing and please do not take this the worng way. I can picture Ms. Bialek fourteen years ago and would guess she was extremely hot. I* also suspect - like many hot young women - she was rather adept at saying NO to men making frequent advances. So the whole thing with Cain did not rise to the level of something she saw fit to do anything about in the way of legal action at that time.
 
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haymarket said:
You could be right Maggie. I suspect that if Cain had not been leading in the republican polls, she would have. Perhaps she felt she should talk now or risk being saddled with a President Cain down the road and that bothered her?

One other thing and please do not take this the worng way. I can picture Ms. Bialek fourteen years ago and would guess she was extremely hot. I* also suspect - like many hot young women - she was rather adept at saying NO to men making frequent advances. So the whole thing with Cain did not rise to the level of something she saw fit to do anything about in the way of legal action at that time.
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Women who have been sexually abused or harassed and didnt report it immediately usually has it fester...and when they see other women coming forward about the same individual they get mad all over again...there is strength or maybe comfort in numbers.
Ask most any woman why they didnt report sexual abuse or harassment right away and the answers are always the same...for what no one would believe me..I couldnt prove it his word against mine...hes a bigshot ceo they will protect him...or..I handled it myself...
All those reasons doesnt mean women are lieing...I dont think theres a single person on this forum who believes all 4 of those women are lieing
 
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again... a single isolated incident is not harrassment. according to her own story, this woman was not sexually assaulted and she was not harassed. If true, Cain made a rude crude remark to her. It's a smear campaign plain and simple. I wish I had a dollar for every rude/crude comment I have made over the last 48 years.
 
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I wonder if this was a democrat how the conversation would be going?

Just wondering, carry on . . . . :coffeepap
 
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Boo Radley said:
I wonder if this was a democrat how the conversation would be going?

Just wondering, carry on . . . . :coffeepap
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partisan hackery at its finest.
 
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j-mac said:
Good one....More like 'He said, she said, anonymous said, anonymous said, anonymous said, and anonymous said.....


I wonder though if it bothers anyone that during the Clinton scandal Politico ran 17 stories on his crap, for Fast and Furious they have ran 14 stories, for Ayres/Obama friendship they ran 12, and for this so far in two weeks they ran 137 stories? does that tell anyone anything?....tink, tink, tink.....Bueler, Bueler?


j-mac
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Founded in 2007, why would Politico write much about Clinton's scandal? And how much was there to write about Ayer's, which was nothing but a rightwing talking point?
 
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OscarB63 said:
partisan hackery at its finest.
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Not sure how, but do you deny the conversation would be different?
 
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I think all of this is ridiculous:

her real side of the story is "something maybe happened 20 million years ago and now that this person might be an important figure in the world I'm going ot try to destroy his reputation"

If people want my sympathy they shouldn't wait so long to talk about it . . . because waiting for a moment like this just turns the potential victim into a perpetrator on a different level.

Of course: I don't believe for one second that it happened at all.
 
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j-mac said:
So in your eyes then, and I don't want to put words in your mouth here, so you are free to make it more clear, but if I understand what you are saying here, all one has to do is offer a charge without proof, and that is enough for you? Does that standard apply to those in which you agree with ideologically as well?


j-mac
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Of course not I am going to accept any charge without some proof. False charges do occur. At my son's college last year a coed came forth and said she was raped and two weeks later another unrelated female came forth and said she was raped. Within a week they discovered both made it up.

But my point is that if someone accused me if doing something disgusting as sexually assaulting someone I would want my name cleared. I would volunteer for a lie detector anything . I would not want to just cover it up.

Maybe these four women did make it up similiar to the episode at the college I spoke of. I don't know. But we do know Cain has already proven he's has lied about this whole incident.
 
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