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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Wow, now it turns out she was a neighbor of David Axelrod........good grief this smells like Chicago thuggery to me.

    Martha MacCallum, FOX News: "One of the things is that you lived at a 505 North Lake Shore Drive apartment, right? This is the same building, it happens to be the same building David Axelrod lives in. Do you know David Axelrod? Ever have any interaction with him at all?

    Sharon Bialek, Cain accuser: "I saw him in the gym. I mean -- everybody nods to each other. It is friendly building but I never had any interaction with him."
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That's stretching it a bit as the plural results from grammar and no where in that quote does it say a person must wait for it to happen multiple times. I don't know why you it would have to be explained to you that telling a woman she has nice tits is not appropriate in the work place. It's unprofessional and just plain bad manners.
    maybe the civies do it differently. but I can tell you from years of experience doing investigations for the military, that in order to qualify as harassment the behavior has to continue after the "harasser" has been told to stop and the "victim" has to tell the "harasser" that the behavior is unwanted.

    cases of "severe" (as sheik likes to bleat) one time actions such as assault and rape are not treated as harassment but are treated as assault and rape.


    sexual assault =/= rape =/= harassment
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post

    so IOW, you are trying to use an example that doesn't apply to this situation to prove that Cain harassed her
    No, I'm using the example you provided.

    In response to me showing you that rape qualifies as a "severe" case of sexual harassment, you suggested,
    "since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe"

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Wow, now it turns out she was a neighbor of David Axelrod........good grief this smells like Chicago thuggery to me.
    What about the other four women? Were they neighbors of Plouffe?

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You're spinning yourself in circles now. I hope you don't get dizzy.

    To recap ...

    I posted the example from the definition of sexual harassment to show you are wrong in claiming sexual harassment must be pervasive. That example described rape as being a "severe" attack which constitutes sexual harassment.

    You responded by suggesting maybe she felt rape severe enough.

    you've been spinning in circles ever since...
    you are the one spinning. trying to compare what Cain did to rape
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I assigned an arbitrary number as an example. it really isn't that hard to understand. nowhere did I say "it must happen at least X number of times". It just has to happen more than once
    Ok, let's ignore the number 4 and focus on the number 2. No where in the EEOC quote does it say it has to happen more than once.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    with 4 separate individuals. that is a pattern of rude behavior NOT harassment.


    If I tell 4 women "you have nice tits" that is not harassment

    If I tell the same woman 4 times "you have nice tits" that would be harassment and only then if she told me to stop and I did not.

    we are forced to attend EO/SH training on a regular basis. It is harped upon and hammered home all the smegging time.
    So, that's how you expect to get away with making that comment to 4 separate women? They have to wait for you to do it more than once? Further, you don't see that as a pattern of inappropriate behavior?
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, I'm using the example you provided.

    In response to me showing you that rape qualifies as a "severe" case of sexual harassment, you suggested,
    "since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe"
    unless he raped her, you showing me that rape qualifies is irrelevent. but thanks for playing
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Ok, let's ignore the number 4 and focus on the number 2. No where in the EEOC quote does it say it has to happen more than once.
    they didn't pluralize the verbs for the sake of grammar. saying "you have nice tits" to someone ONE time is not harassment



    So, that's how you expect to get away with making that comment to 4 separate women? They have to wait for you to do it more than once? Further, you don't see that as a pattern of inappropriate behavior?
    I have said it was a pattern of inappropriate behavior. sorry but I don't make the rules. he could have made that comment to 1000 separate women and it would not have been harassment.
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post

    Wow, now it turns out she was a neighbor of David Axelrod........good grief this smells like Chicago thuggery to me.
    Does that mean she's doesn't qualify as a Republican?

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Um, Paula Jones didn't make any accusations until three years after the alleged rape, when Clinton was already in the WH. She scored a big settlement and then cashed in by posing for Penthouse. Not quite the demure church lady she presented herself as in the lawsuit.
    Keep telling yourself "Clinton didn't do it". I loved the Ken Starr report that detailed BJ Clenis flogging his log in the bathroom sink in a White House office. Of course we also have the jizz stained dress, the Jennifer Flowers tapes, the human humidor Lewinsky, etc., etc. Yeah dude, that man was clearly had his urges under control.
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