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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but you're referring to ONE of his accusers, not the 2 who received settlements.
    Companies pay off these kind of people all the time. $35K is nothing compared to court costs.

    If you were sexually harassed, would you settle for that little?

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post

    please look up the definition of "harassment". his alleged actions might be considered "assault" but it is NOT harassment. harassment requires a pattern of behavior, not a one time event.
    Not true. It can be a "one time" event if it's "severe."


    The conduct of the harasser must either be severe or it must be pervasive to be sexual harassment. A single incident is probably not sexual harassment unless it is severe. For example, a single incident of rape or attempted rape would probably be sexual harassment (it would also violate criminal laws).

    ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not true. It can be a "one time" event if it's "severe."

    The conduct of the harasser must either be severe or it must be pervasive to be sexual harassment. A single incident is probably not sexual harassment unless it is severe. For example, a single incident of rape or attempted rape would probably be sexual harassment (it would also violate criminal laws).

    ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work
    since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    from the actual legal definition of harassment.



    If I make a rude/crude comment to you and you do not tell me to stop, I have no way of knowing that such behavior is unwanted. therefore if I continue it is not harassment.

    If I make a rude/crude comment to you and you tell me to stop, and I do, it is not harassment because the behavior is not persistent
    Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.

    Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following:

    The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex.
    The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee.
    The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.
    Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim.
    The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome.

    It is helpful for the victim to directly inform the harasser that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance system available.

    When investigating allegations of sexual harassment, EEOC looks at the whole record: the circumstances, such as the nature of the sexual advances, and the context in which the alleged incidents occurred. A determination on the allegations is made from the facts on a case-by-case basis.

    Prevention is the best tool to eliminate sexual harassment in the workplace. Employers are encouraged to take steps necessary to prevent sexual harassment from occurring. They should clearly communicate to employees that sexual harassment will not be tolerated. They can do so by establishing an effective complaint or grievance process and taking immediate and appropriate action when an employee complains.
    From the EEOC

    Facts About Sexual Harassment

    I don't see the words pattern or arbitrary numbers one must tolerate before reporting.
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post

    Companies pay off these kind of people all the time. $35K is nothing compared to court costs.

    If you were sexually harassed, would you settle for that little?
    $35,000 to someone making that in a year is not little. You cannot determine if there was or was not sexual harassment based on someone accepting a years salary as compensation.

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Companies pay off these kind of people all the time. $35K is nothing compared to court costs.

    If you were sexually harassed, would you settle for that little?
    seems quite odd that there were 2, and yes, i might accept what was then a year's pay, especially if i was young.
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not necessarily. It depends on the nature of the harassment...


    Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination.The legal definition of sexual harassment is “unwelcome verbal, visual, or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”

    ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work
    That's how I understand it so I'm surprised Oscar assigned an arbitrary number to it.
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    From the EEOC

    Facts About Sexual Harassment

    I don't see the words pattern or arbitrary numbers one must tolerate before reporting.
    from your link

    Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors,
    note the plural, meaning more than one

    sorry folks, just because you want it to be harassment doesn't make it so.

    I am not saying it was right, just that it doesn't meet the requirements to be considered harassment.
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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post

    since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe
    Are you saying it's not "severe" if a woman is raped if she doesn't call the police? Do you believe women always call the police after they've been raped?

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    Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That's how I understand it so I'm surprised Oscar assigned an arbitrary number to it.
    I assigned an arbitrary number as an example. it really isn't that hard to understand. nowhere did I say "it must happen at least X number of times". It just has to happen more than once
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