Thread: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

Originally Posted by What if...?

That would be ****ty and contrary to training I'm sure. Cops can be dicks and succumb to testosterone and adrenaline. Ive seen it with my own eyes. But I don't believe this to be the norm or even common.

The problem I have with the anger towards police about the unfortunate injury is....

Once that round leaves the device used to fire it, and lands in or about its intended target..... what happens to it after that is outside of any human control.


As to the comment about cops themselves succumbing to testosterone and adrenaline and being dicks.... Well. Yes it does upon occasion happen.

Thats what happens when you have humans doing the job.

ALL human beings are subject to making wrong decisions, decisions made in anger, acting on emotion, or just plain mistakes in judgement, motor control (missing an intended target). However, not all humans are held to the standards that police officers are held to.

Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Umm, last I checked police officers are still citizens and are still innocent until proven guilty. I don't agree with your seeming implication that people who make claims of government wrong doing somehow should be believed as factually true unless the government proves otherwise.



And here you're making hte assumption that there WAS a response by them that they must prove was appropriate. My issue is I've seen nothing at this point that concludes that is the absolute case.

As I do with every other instance of a potential crime, I'm going to hold off on making grand accusations and demands for action to be taken until the dust settles enough for some semblance of real facts and definitive answer scome out.

Nonetheless, the onus is on the police to show the correct level of response because they initially have the power to police. Now it could have been an accident where the Marine happen to be standing in the wrong place, in which case it was no one's fault. In the large crowd the shooter may have been aiming at an open spot, but accidently hit the Marine. All I know is this Marine appear innocent, but who knows. Probably mistakes on both sides.

Originally Posted by American

Nonetheless, the onus is on the police to show the correct level of response because they initially have the power to police. Now it could have been an accident where the Marine happen to be standing in the wrong place, in which case it was no one's fault. In the large crowd the shooter may have been aiming at an open spot, but accidently hit the Marine. All I know is this Marine appear innocent, but who knows. Probably mistakes on both sides.

He was ordered to disburse....

He had the opportunity to prevent himself from being harmed accidentally (or intentionally if one still chooses to think so).

Originally Posted by Caine

He was ordered to disburse....

He had the opportunity to prevent himself from being harmed accidentally (or intentionally if one still chooses to think so).

So you think he ran into the grenade on purpose?

Originally Posted by American

So you think he ran into the grenade on purpose?

I don't recall saying that..
if you want to go with him having been struck by a direct shot.. prove it.

Originally Posted by American

Are you saying the Marine is wrong.

that is precisely what I am saying. In a warzone, you carry live ammo. because it's a warzone.

I guess the OWS people to take a page out of the polices actions.
When you plan on going to an event, where violence may occur, wear protective equipment.

People like to fault the police on this, but they were vastly outnumbered, where all they had in their favor were crowd dispersal tools.
The crowd didn't disperse, the crowd got violent first, the crowd outnumbered the cops and the cops are wrong for defending themselves?

Insanity.

well, as the Oakland folks were rapping

"If you've got a problem with the C-O-P's
Throw a molotov at the P-I-G's"


......digit......:music:

I am glad that the rest of the country seems to have more sense than the folks in Oakland.

apparently the same longshoremen that were destroying property and taking hostages a month or more back were out there with them. when even Obama's NRLB feels obliged to deplore your "overly aggressive tactics", you know you're over the line.