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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

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    Your announcement that you do not get it comes right after the news bulletin on the CNN news that the sun came up in the east this morning.
    When I see the school of thought out there from the folks, "who get it", I take your comment as a compliment.

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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you labor under the delusion that the OWS demonstrators are begging Wall Street to do things things out of the goodness of their heart?

    No wonder the right wing lives at the bottom of that rabbit hole.
    Ah, smear, and personal attack...man you are almost a parody of liberal thought.

    This is about drawing attention to problems and alerting the people of the nation to the dangers before us.
    Attention to problems eh, you mean like your seeming support of the use of violence in conjunction with your comrades overblown temper tantrum?

    The fact that progressives, and liberals are so willing to use violence should bear striking contrast to anything the Tea party was doing...

    j-mac gives us an indication of his thinking process replying to my comment

    more equal distribution of income


    with this nugget of 'wisdom'
    I see personal attack, but not too much actual rebuttal....Explain your phrase 'distribution of income'

    There is no such thing as income distribution!?!?!?!? Amazing. And you got this economic truth from where exactly? That statements is indicative of the rest of your reply.
    Still more attack...no substance.

    You cannot pass up an opportunity - even a lame one - to attacks unions can you? Predictable and silly.
    Dismissal, is not anything close to debate. Am I to infer that you don't think that unions are involved with the Occupy children?

    Do you know the difference between the words LESS and NO when discussing profit? Obviously either you do not or you do not care to examine the difference. Less profit is a reasonable demand. I agree that NO profit is not a reasonable but I have seen no real advocacy for that sort of thing outside of this Bloomberg framing of the ideas. But a nice try to distort and pervert the actual words they said with a strawman of your own making for a much easier target.
    First off, which is it then? Less, or No? You said both when you put in the "or". Second, it is the shareholders that demand the level of profit within a corporation, and hold their execs accountable when that level is not achieved...BTW, those share holders are you and I pal. So what is it you think? Government should tell corporations what they can make?

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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you labor under the delusion that the OWS demonstrators are begging Wall Street to do things things out of the goodness of their heart?

    No wonder the right wing lives at the bottom of that rabbit hole.

    This is about drawing attention to problems and alerting the people of the nation to the dangers before us.

    j-mac gives us an indication of his thinking process replying to my comment

    more equal distribution of income


    with this nugget of 'wisdom'



    There is no such thing as income distribution!?!?!?!? Amazing. And you got this economic truth from where exactly? That statements is indicative of the rest of your reply.



    You cannot pass up an opportunity - even a lame one - to attacks unions can you? Predictable and silly.

    on banks needing to get less profit ...... less profit (or no profit) for banks



    Do you know the difference between the words LESS and NO when discussing profit? Obviously either you do not or you do not care to examine the difference. Less profit is a reasonable demand. I agree that NO profit is not a reasonable but I have seen no real advocacy for that sort of thing outside of this Bloomberg framing of the ideas. But a nice try to distort and pervert the actual words they said with a strawman of your own making for a much easier target.



    Obviously NOT. People on the right here scream, rant and whine about the need to fire public employees and make government smaller. Companies cut millions of jobs and find out they can do just nicely thank you without them. Obviously WE ALL DO NOT WANT JOBS.
    Then draw attention on Washington, DC where it belongs. Oh, but that would be protesting Obama, wouldn't it? And we'd have a conflict of interest there, wouldn't we? Those collecting govt entitlements protesting the hand that feeds. The legal system that allowed all this is located in DC, not NY.
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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

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    Then draw attention on Washington, DC where it belongs. Oh, but that would be protesting Obama, wouldn't it? And we'd have a conflict of interest there, wouldn't we? Those collecting govt entitlements protesting the hand that feeds. The legal system that allowed all this is located in DC, not NY.

    Hey, here is a interesting development, when the Tea Party in AZ had some guy walking around with his rifle on his shoulder, the MSM made a huge deal out it, to the point where even today, and in these debates members of DP have mischaracterized that happening as some kind of right wing loons brandishing weapons at Tea party events for smear purposes....Why then have we not heard about this at Phoenix Occupy over the weekend?



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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If the cops were bombing those turds with willy peter or machine gunning them with explosive bullets he might have a point
    We're talking police action, government force, against our own people here. The government is meant to be limited. Or did you forget that? That includes the way in which it may apply force to us and under which conditions they are legally and justly able to employ that force. We don't need to start waiting for the Government to start killing a bunch of the People before we stop and say "wait wait wait....this is too much". If it's too much before hand, then it's too much. The rights and liberties of the individual must be held to their maximum. And that also protects against many forms of government force.

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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

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    you really have an aversion to reality. Here is some of your nonsense replying to me
    Attention to problems eh, you mean like your seeming support of the use of violence in conjunction with your comrades overblown temper tantrum?

    The fact that progressives, and liberals are so willing to use violence should bear striking contrast to anything the Tea party was doing...
    Could you please man up and quote from my posts on this issue where I support the use of violence in this movement?

    If you can do that - the rest of the nonsense you are spewing in my direction can be dealt with. But I want to flush this particular piece of crap here and now.
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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're talking police action, government force, against our own people here. The government is meant to be limited. Or did you forget that? That includes the way in which it may apply force to us and under which conditions they are legally and justly able to employ that force. We don't need to start waiting for the Government to start killing a bunch of the People before we stop and say "wait wait wait....this is too much". If it's too much before hand, then it's too much. The rights and liberties of the individual must be held to their maximum. And that also protects against many forms of government force.

    Government is restricted, not the People.
    Ikari - I must say that your position in these threads in discussing this subject has given me a great deal of respect for your intellectual and political consistency. Sad to say that others show no such thing and are motivated by partisan expediency and ideological fear. You voice support for the same principles that you always support. My glass is raised to you.
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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hey, here is a interesting development, when the Tea Party in AZ had some guy walking around with his rifle on his shoulder, the MSM made a huge deal out it, to the point where even today, and in these debates members of DP have mischaracterized that happening as some kind of right wing loons brandishing weapons at Tea party events for smear purposes....Why then have we not heard about this at Phoenix Occupy over the weekend?



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    Is this like the fifth different thread we have seen this really important development in in the last two days?
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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're talking police action, government force, against our own people here. The government is meant to be limited. Or did you forget that? That includes the way in which it may apply force to us and under which conditions they are legally and justly able to employ that force. We don't need to start waiting for the Government to start killing a bunch of the People before we stop and say "wait wait wait....this is too much". If it's too much before hand, then it's too much. The rights and liberties of the individual must be held to their maximum. And that also protects against many forms of government force.

    Government is restricted, not the People.
    Someone needs to tell our Dear Leader....

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    Re: Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones

    Quick question...

    has any definitive conclussion even came about that this guy WAS hit by a firearm launched cannister of tear gas, and was doing nothing prior to it?

    I've not been keeping up with it a ton, but from the little I've read and seen it seems all there is are protesters, already upset at the cops, claiming that's what happened and video that isn't anything but footage after the fact. I understand the notion that the Cops are potentially biased in what they claim happen, but the same can be said of the protesters.

    Its hard for me to scold the government for doing something it shouldn't do if we don't even know if they actually did said thing.

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