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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not really. I suspect you don't get the difference between the two. Solar in the US is fighting a very unfair fight against the Chinese and lesser extent the Germans.
    Indeed they are. Nowhere is the solution to that being to simply give them millions of dollars.

    We simply are not providing the same kind of resources to our solar that other countries are giving to them. It's amusing to watch people demand the end to subsidies and then decry the death of American manufacturing. Giving up support to fledgling industries is basically sending them into a gladiator arena armed with wooden swords when the Germans and Chinese are arming their gladiators with diamond edged blades.
    It is NOT the governments place to subsidize for profit businesses. How much more should we have pored into Solyndra? I hate this arguement. The problem wasn't that we blew the money, it was that we did not give them enough. **** that. The problem was that the Chinese pulled the rug out from underneath what Solyndra was trying to do. Investors could see this coming from miles away which is why they stayed away. How then does another company ever compete with the company that the government is poring billions into? How much of these billions then find their way back into campaign coffers?

    Nuclear has existed since the 50s and is still reliant upon subsidies to get off the ground, get running and to dismantle.
    Nobody has any desire to deal with all the regulations put in place to simply allow to keep the government involved.

    See above. It helps to understand what you are talking about before posting. You appear less of a fool that way. And the F-35 basically doesn't have an alternative. That's partially why we have no choice. As opposed to say the advanced artillery Cheney killed and the Comanche that we didn't necessarily need.
    Bite me. Don't tell me that I simply do not understand. We have these over runs because NO ONE in government demands accountability. It's just open the check book. I would demand a bid that was binding. You build it for the amount you bid or the government takes legal action. Funny, it works in the real world where people can't just take the money from someone else.

    If you do not believe you can do that, don't bid. If we decide that the new jet isn't worth the actual 10 billion it would actually cost to build, we don't build it.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    The only stupid things here are your assumptions of what I figure and your lack of comprehension that these countries are foregoing all that "green" energy and building nuclear energy as their answer to their growing energy needs or as you put it "to make nuclear weapons as a primary goal.
    I now question your capacity to read much less think. You cited several countries who are doing both as evidence that green energy doesn't work. I like how you attacked Green energy as being non-viable by citing a country who's building the largest solar plant in the world. That's amusing.

    How does that make you intelligent? Furthermore, after someone pointed that out to you, you not only refuse to change your position but you start insulting someone who is clearly superior to you in knowledge and education much less critical thinking skills. Cruisin' for a bruisin' you are.

    "If nuclear needs to be heavily subsidized like some in this thread have said then why would these countries dump money into a sinkhole when they could be going with sustainable green technology that is "safe" ?
    Asking questions that were already answered in the post you quoted suggests you either can't read or understand English properly, or simply don't give a **** what people write, you just go off on whatever you want.

    Best answer for future needs is nuclear, the same thing I have said above using all those countries that are planning nuclear for their energy needs instead of other "green" technology. It appears doubtful to me that such energy needs would also require their governments to subsidize them as some here have presented the case against nuclear power as efficient.
    You look really stupid when you make an argument that was refuted in the posts above you.

    1) Countries you named are doing both green and nuclear
    2) Countries doing nuclear are sometimes doing it for nuclear weapons programs
    3) Countries who are importing nuclear are doing it somewhat because manufactures offer lending reducing short term capital costs.

    None of those back your arguments up. You seem very intent upon ignoring whatever contradicts your arguments. You may be selected for a certain basement award if you keep going like this.
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    House Speaker John Boehner attacked the Obama administration for financing failed solar-panel maker Solyndra LLC, saying government shouldn’t pick winners and losers. That hasn’t stopped him from demanding that the U.S. make a winner of a nuclear-fuel plant in Ohio, his home state.
    Boehner is backing a $2 billion Energy Department loan guarantee sought by USEC Inc. (USU) for its American Centrifuge Plant in Piketon, Ohio, aimed at enriching uranium for commercial nuclear reactors.
    “When it comes to emerging energy technologies, the Republicans don’t want to pick winners and losers -- unless it’s nuclear power,” Ellen Vancko, nuclear energy and climate-change project manager in the Washington office of the Union of Concerned Scientists, said in an interview.
    The collapse of Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy protection last month, two years after receiving a $535 million federal loan guarantee, isn’t a reason to withhold financing from USEC, Boehner said in a Sept. 30 posting on his website. He cited a promise by Obama in his 2008 presidential campaign to aid the company.
    “In the midst of the Solyndra controversy that has raised serious questions about the Obama administration’s oversight of taxpayer dollars, hundreds of Southern Ohio workers stand to lose their jobs if the Obama administration reneges on the president’s promise to support an energy project in the small town of Piketon, Ohio,” Boehner wrote. “I urge the administration to not betray the citizens of Ohio.”
    USEC’s political action committee has given $10,000 to committees supporting Boehner since 2010, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission.

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    Oh the horror!!!! God forbid we invest money into something actually works.
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Indeed they are. Nowhere is the solution to that being to simply give them millions of dollars.
    Simply give? Perhaps no, but you'd be a total moron to think that a gladiator armed with a wooden sword stands a real chance against a gladiator in full armor with a diamond tipped sword.

    It is NOT the governments place to subsidize for profit businesses. How much more should we have pored into Solyndra? I hate this arguement. The problem wasn't that we blew the money, it was that we did not give them enough. **** that. The problem was that the Chinese pulled the rug out from underneath what Solyndra was trying to do. Investors could see this coming from miles away which is why they stayed away. How then does another company ever compete with the company that the government is poring billions into? How much of these billions then find their way back into campaign coffers?
    You completely missed the point here. Your stance basically gives up more and more jobs to foreign competitors who's governments don't play fair. You are essentially willing to drive the US economy into the ground purely on ideology. We can't eat ideology for dinner. Well, I can't. It doesn't matter if it's the governments place to or not in your opinion. The fact right now on the ground you cannot change is that foreign governments are not playing fair. You are essentially demanding that American firms play at a distinct disadvantage. Your angle is pure politics where I'm discussing something far more complex. Essentially if we give our industry no help, they will get eventually slaughtered in the global market. Tell me how that helps America. And do a better job then when you ran from showing how people are forced at gun point to buy US debt.

    Nobody has any desire to deal with all the regulations put in place to simply allow to keep the government involved.
    Perhaps you have no idea what happened at Chernobyl? I guess you think it's okay for a plant to have an insufficiently dense inner core to protect against radiation leaks? Would you live near a nuclear plant that had seriously shoddy safety records? People like you I feel have never gotten burned by a lack of regulation, so thus you have no idea what the worse that can happen. Tell me, do you think that the parent of the child who got to see their child die as shiga toxins liquified his brain is for less regulation at fast food joints? I feel like you have no idea how you benefit from regulation.

    Bite me. Don't tell me that I simply do not understand.
    I don't have to. Your posts and lack of demonstrated knowledge about the subjects do that for me.

    We have these over runs because NO ONE in government demands accountability.
    The biggest offenses are actually in the CIA and black ops where lack of accountability is essentially built in. You are harping up the wrong tree.

    It's just open the check book. I would demand a bid that was binding. You build it for the amount you bid or the government takes legal action. Funny, it works in the real world where people can't just take the money from someone else.
    Well, considering we have no alternative, they have us by the balls. There is accountability, we COULD kill the project, we'd just have to restart from basically nothing with no 5th generation multirole fighter. Considering the time line of how long it takes to get something like that out in force, we'll be at a significant handicap in any future conflict. Furthermore, we have an obligation to our allies to get that plane out and about.

    If you do not believe you can do that, don't bid. If we decide that the new jet isn't worth the actual 10 billion it would actually cost to build, we don't build it.
    Well, the bid itself was unrealistic. The F-35 is expected to do a variety of roles that a number of planes today perform. We expect to to be a full fledged air superiority fighter, to a VTOL close air support. That's a huge number of missions it has to perform between the two and we want them all done well. The bid on the F-35 was grossly underestimated and we should have known that we could not get what we wanted for that price.
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh the horror!!!! God forbid we invest money into something actually works.
    Anyone surprised that Apdst has no problem calling for more spending when it's a Republican asking for it?
    Anyone surprised that Apdst has no problem calling for more government subsidies when t's a Republican asking for it?

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh the horror!!!! God forbid we invest money into something actually works.
    The Chinese are doing quite with solar. I bet some of their products are in your chain.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The Chinese are doing quite with solar. I bet some of their products are in your chain.
    I guess that's why they're busting their asses to get their hands on as much oil as possible, because solar power is such a big hit. Yes?
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Anyone surprised that Apdst has no problem calling for more spending when it's a Republican asking for it?
    Anyone surprised that Apdst has no problem calling for more government subsidies when t's a Republican asking for it?

    *chirp*

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    But...but...but...it's a loan! It's not a subsidy.
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess that's why they're busting their asses to get their hands on as much oil as possible, because solar power is such a big hit. Yes?
    They have also built the worlds biggest dam. The US use to do things like that.

    And they are beating us on solar as well.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess that's why they're busting their asses to get their hands on as much oil as possible, because solar power is such a big hit. Yes?
    In terms of power grid, China isn't a big oil user. It's liquid fuel they need oil for. And the various oil products. Solar and oil are two somewhat non-competing energy sources. You should know this by now.

    Solar is a big hit in terms of providing day light peak energy. And its a big export.
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