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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Am I the only one opposed to giving away more of our tax-money no matter what?

    2Billion is a lot of damned money
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Am I the only one opposed to giving away more of our tax-money no matter what?

    2Billion is a lot of damned money
    Technically, the government doesn't give them the money. It merely offers to banks to guarantee the loan if something goes bad, so in theory, there could be 0 taxpayer dollars spent. Or we could be on the hook for everything if the deal goes sideways.
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The only reason solar energy hasn't caught on in this country is because we continue to place it 5th or 6th behind:

    1. oil
    2. coal
    3. hydro
    4. nuclear

    But if you really took a closer look at the U.S. solar power industry and stopped gauging it based on the Solyndra scandale alone you'd realize that the industry is viable and can be profitable if given half the change the top four energy industries have been given.

    One way to change the way U.S. homeowners and consumers think about solar energy might be to make them standard for home construction just as we currently do for things like hot water tanks or A/C units. Right now, we look at the solar energy industry as being part of electric grids competing with oil, natural gas, hydro-electric or nuclear energy to power entire cities/communities. But if we make them standard home installations, the solar panel industry would BOOM overnight! Congress could even tie-in selling back energy to local utility companies so that these industries don't feel infriged upon (unless you just say "let choice and competition within the free market system do what it do"...I'm all for that!).

    U.S. Solar Energy industry

    As for Boehner pimping federal funding for a local nuke plant, all I can say is he's once again playing politics trying to have it both ways. Classic politics...
    There ar emuch more reasons why Solar hasnt caught on but the two primary reasons are 1-Cost to the consumer and 2-once you have solar installed, who do you tax for energy consumption? Neither party wants it.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'd prefer to just have all nuclear power plants be owned and operated by the government. Maybe set it up as a government corporation similar to how the Postal Service is organized.
    Yeah, that's doing well isn't it?

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Most probably have no idea its subsidized. The government hands out money to nuclear to construction to disposal. In many ways it's cradle to grave welfare. Without subsides, nuclear won't exist. They get construction loan guarantees, money per kilowatt and money for disposal of the facility. Cradle to grave welfare in the nuclear industry.



    Wrong. Do you not understand the difference between a loan a loan guarantee?
    I realize that once the government committs to funding it's an open check. Just like Solyndra. The Obama administration wanted to give them even more. Just like with the military. They will commit 2 billion to build a new jet fighter but once the over runs are up to 7 billion the government is still there with the money.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'd prefer to just have all nuclear power plants be owned and operated by the government. Maybe set it up as a government corporation similar to how the Postal Service is organized.
    OMG you can't be serious. The fed having absolute control of our energy assets. I can not think of a worse idea. One year after the fed owns the assets, 50% of the consumers will be paying for all of the energy and the other half will be living large without having to pay for their energy consumption. The entire system would crash within 2 years due to the incompetence of unaccountable, political bureaucrats that graduated in the bottom of their class in college.
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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are much more reasons why Solar hasn't caught on but the two primary reasons are 1-Cost to the consumer and 2-once you have solar installed, who do you tax for energy consumption? Neither party wants it.
    The cost could be drastically reduced if solar panels were made standard for home construction. They're really not that expensive. You can buy a solar panel from anywhere between $400-1,500.

    As far as taxing the energy solar panels would produce, that is the big mystery now isn't it? The answer should be NOBODY! But that's the problem...

    Local utility companies don't want solar energy to catch on for that very reason...it reduces energy consumption. Therefore, there's no incentive for local utility companies to allow solar panel installation to become standardized in home construction. There's also the competition solar power would have with the coal industry.

    Those who think solar power is some fuex industry really haven't done their homework. For me, it's a matter of changing how we as homeowners approach solar power. Change the incentive from a "energy efficiency tax credit" to a standard appliance you buy with your home and the industry would thrive. Give the homeowner the choice up from if they want to have a solar panel installed on their home and you will see this industry change overnight.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The cost could be drastically reduced if solar panels were made standard for home construction. They're really not that expensive. You can buy a solar panel from anywhere between $400-1,500.

    As far as taxing the energy solar panels would produce, that is the big mystery now isn't it? The answer should be NOBODY! But that's the problem...

    Local utility companies don't want solar energy to catch on for that very reason...it reduces energy consumption. Therefore, there's no incentive for local utility companies to allow solar panel installation to become standardized in home construction. There's also the competition solar power would have with the coal industry.

    Those who think solar power is some fuex industry really haven't done their homework. For me, it's a matter of changing how we as homeowners approach solar power. Change the incentive from a "energy efficiency tax credit" to a standard appliance you buy with your home and the industry would thrive. Give the homeowner the choice up from if they want to have a solar panel installed on their home and you will see this industry change overnight.
    Precisely correct. Energy companies dont want it, state and local municipalities dont want it...everyone knows there will be a tax hole that SOMEONE will have to fill.

    I dont think it is as economical and viable as you imagine. If it were more home owners would use it. Panels are the cheapest part of the equation.

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    Re: Boehner Demands $2 Billion for Ohio Plant After Solyndra

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Precisely correct. Energy companies dont want it, state and local municipalities dont want it...everyone knows there will be a tax hole that SOMEONE will have to fill.

    I dont think it is as economical and viable as you imagine. If it were more home owners would use it. Panels are the cheapest part of the equation.
    Maybe things have changed or I'm misremembering........but I think it was like $25-$30,000 to retrofit my house to run solely on solar when I checked a few years ago.

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