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ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

Dickieboy said:
Do you think the poll results would be the same if the SAME MAJORITY were the 'rich'?
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If the middle class was not hurting, no I don't think you would see the same majority.
 
j-mac said:
I don't think so. Union power was never in the numbers that were in the membership, but more so in the allies that held real power as with most quasi criminal organizations.

j-mac
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You are entitled to your opinion.
 
Dickieboy said:
Do you think the poll results would be the same if the SAME MAJORITY were the 'rich'?
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who really gives a damn about a poll that has some wanting OTHERS to pay for them

as I noted, if you asked every victim of AIDS or ALS or lung cancer would they favor sacrificing 10000 virgins not related to them if that would cure their diseases, I bet 95% or more would say YES!

Big frigging deal
 
TurtleDude said:
who really gives a damn about a poll that has some wanting OTHERS to pay for them

as I noted, if you asked every victim of AIDS or ALS or lung cancer would they favor sacrificing 10000 virgins not related to them if that would cure their diseases, I bet 95% or more would say YES!

Big frigging deal
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Thanks TD for making my point more succinctly.
 
TurtleDude said:
who really gives a damn about a poll that has some wanting OTHERS to pay for them

as I noted, if you asked every victim of AIDS or ALS or lung cancer would they favor sacrificing 10000 virgins not related to them if that would cure their diseases, I bet 95% or more would say YES!

Big frigging deal
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Democracy is a bitch! :lamo
 
Catawba said:
Democracy is a bitch! :lamo
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All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. - Thomas Jefferson

I thought Liberals were against oppression???
 
Dickieboy said:
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. - Thomas Jefferson

I thought Liberals were against oppression???
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It is your opinion the rich, who, own most of the country, are being oppressed...................really??? You are funny Dickieboy!!!
 
Catawba said:
It is your opinion the rich, who, own most of the country, are being oppressed............really???
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No, it is apparently your opinion that they should be.
 
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TurtleDude said:
who really gives a damn about a poll that has some wanting OTHERS to pay for them

as I noted, if you asked every victim of AIDS or ALS or lung cancer would they favor sacrificing 10000 virgins not related to them if that would cure their diseases, I bet 95% or more would say YES!

Big frigging deal
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Are you being ****ing serious?
 
winston53660 said:
Are you being ****ing serious?
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society is full of those who eagerly agree to make others pay for what they want or what they think they need.
 
Catawba said:
Please quote me where I have ever said the rich should be oppressed? Thanks!
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You did not specifically state that but you did by inference. When the discussion was pointed to the majority being in favor of taxing the rich (minority), you stated that ‘Democracy is a bitch’ (i.e. ‘get over it), inferring that this was acceptable. A reference was made to a T. Jefferson quote that opined that such was oppression hence the link.

How else should we have taken your position? Are not the desires of the majority (taxing the rich) oppressing the desires minority (not paying more taxes)? So as to not misquote you, what specifically is your exact position?
 
Catawba said:
It is your opinion the rich, who, own most of the country, are being oppressed...................really??? You are funny Dickieboy!!!
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Please refer to the original post. It was not MY opinion but Thomas Jefferson's.
 
Dickieboy said:
You did not specifically state that but you did by inference. When the discussion was pointed to the majority being in favor of taxing the rich (minority), you stated that ‘Democracy is a bitch’ (i.e. ‘get over it), inferring that this was acceptable. A reference was made to a T. Jefferson quote that opined that such was oppression hence the link.

How else should we have taken your position? Are not the desires of the majority (taxing the rich) oppressing the desires minority (not paying more taxes)? So as to not misquote you, what specifically is your exact position?
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Eliminating the temporary tax breaks for the rich is not oppression, it is justice and smart economics. Tell me how the rich minority was oppressed in the 90's before the tax breaks were given to them?

How were the rich oppressed (even when their effective tax rates on all income was twice what it is now) in the half century between the 30's and the 80's when we had low debt and steady growth of the economy and the strongest middle class in the history of the US?
 
j-mac said:
Wow, now this is amazing. Now watch what happens when I change one word....

"That would make sense only if the Unions had not been allowed to vote (or buying off politicians) to decrease their taxes over the last 30 years."


j-mac
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your knee just got hit by that little rubber hammer. ;)
 
Dickieboy said:
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. - Thomas Jefferson

I thought Liberals were against oppression???
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So could you or this Jefferson dude please translate that into what that means in everday 2011 English using a current issue or problem before the nation?
 
Catawba said:
it is justice
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To who? The majority that you referenced originally?

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According to the polls, the majority of Americans are saying they think the tax breaks for the rich should be eliminated.
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Because the majority thinks its justice makes it so?
 
haymarket said:
So could you or this Jefferson dude please translate that into what that means in everday 2011 English using a current issue or problem before the nation?
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Please refer to the previous posts between Catawba and myself to understand the relevance to the 'current issue'.
 
Dickieboy said:
To who? The majority that you referenced originally?



Because the majority thinks its justice makes it so?
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When you have the majority being harmed by policies that benefit the minority, and the majority seeks to correct that through democracy, yes, that is justice.

And, it is just good economic sense! The only way you can have a strong consumer based economy is by having a consumer class with enough income to be consumers.
 
Catawba said:
And, it is just good economic sense! The only way you can have a strong consumer based economy is by having a consumer class with enough income to be consumers.
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If you add the word 'earned' as in 'with enough EARNED income to be consumers' I will agree.
 
Catawba said:
When you have the majority being harmed by policies that benefit the minority, and the majority seeks to correct that through democracy, yes, that is justice.
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That's outrageous. What the **** do you think minority rights are in general?

The majority is HARMED by me being forced to pay 35%-40% in taxes, far more in $$ than some pay in a life-time? I don't know how some of you guys manage to get food to your mouths when you then make claims like that.
 
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