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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They get paid with tax dollars, then turn around and and give part of that back in the form of taxes. It's in no way a net profit for the government. Let's not act as if it is. It's nothing more than recycling money.

    The only way the government can see any kind of actual revenue, is when the private sector creates wealth and pays a portion of it in taxes.
    you're moving the goalposts.

    I said that civil servants pay taxes. you responded, claiming they do not....which is of course a blatant lie.

    nevermind the fact that some civil servants are paid from capital bonds and NOT tax-revenue.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They get paid with tax dollars, then turn around and and give part of that back in the form of taxes. It's in no way a net profit for the government. Let's not act as if it is. It's nothing more than recycling money.
    So what? Its irrelevant and a silly claim that means nothing. that is pure Mad Hatter - falling down the rabbit hole twisted thinking... if it even rises to that level.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you're moving the goalposts.

    I said that civil servants pay taxes. you responded, claiming they do not....which is of course a blatant lie.

    nevermind the fact that some civil servants are paid from capital bonds and NOT tax-revenue.
    Right! That's why Obama wants to raise taxes, so we can, "create", more government jobs?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, hey, I live in the real world.
    Your last line reminds me from a great line from my favorite film MR SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON. Jefferson Smith is engaged in a filibuster in the Senate and utters a statement... "either I'd dead right or I'm crazy."
    A senator from across the aisle replies with
    " you wouldn't care to put that to a vote would you Senator?"
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I know the stardard rhetorical argument from Conservatives/Republicans "why do you hate the rich?, why do you want to take money from wealthy people? all poor people want are hand-outs" and all the other "redistribution of wealth" arguments, but I've got news for you people. It's no longers just Warren Buffet saying "tax me! I'm good for it" to create jobs in America.

    These promonent BILLIONAIRES are also saying "TAX ME! We want to create jobs IN AMERICA because the People want...NEED to work!" Watch these video interviews given by Barbara Walters on ABC's "20/20" of BILLIONAIRES who are saying "TAX ME! CREATE JOBS IN AMERICA!" Even they agree with the Occupiers need to put America back to work!!

    Again, the Occupy Movement IS NOT anti-capitalism. It IS anti-corruption. The People just want a job and for AMERICA to get back to work!!!
    OWS are a bunch of whining assholes. They are whining about their own failings.



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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! That's why Obama wants to raise taxes, so we can, "create", more government jobs?
    he wanted to raise taxes several months ago to cut the national debt.

    but apparently that's not a good enough reason for the Tea Party.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the government can allocate more money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. that requires revenue, and it creates jobs.

    the government can allocate money to address our domestic energy problem head on by funding the research to discover what comes after oil, a problem which the private sector will not address in earnest until there's an even more serious crisis. and by then, we might not have enough time. a moonshot domestic energy infrastructure and research program will create a lot of jobs.

    the government can allocate money for numerous problems that are not being effectively addressed by the private sector.
    Not that the government doesn't put up all sorts of roadblocks.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OWS are a bunch of whining assholes. They are whining about their own failings.
    Matt Taibbi took that rather skewed viewpoint and utterly shredded it, destroyed it, trashed and crashed it, crushed and flushed it.

    Wall Street Isn't Winning It's Cheating | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

    rather than waste space repeating all of it... read it.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Apology accepted...no harm, no foul.



    You have to see both parts of the the President's proposals. So many people are focused on his jobs plan they forget about his deficit reduction plan. They are designed to work together, not separately.

    His deficit reduction plan is very similar, if not identical, to what he proposed during the debt limit negotiations - across the board spending cuts with some tax hikes/subsidy eliminations. If implemented, his proposals will reduce the debt and and pay down the deficit gradually over time. Considering that the conservatives on both sides of the political divide have been calling for less government spending, I see this as a good thing.

    I don't see how his jobs plan adds to the debt when it is designed to be deficit neutral. He's not asking to borrow more money, just use what revenues are generated via creative tax schemes (i.e., the "Buffet Rule" intended to increase the tax on hedge fund managers or by implementing the millionaire surtax as amended by Sen. Reid) or by offsetting spending by eliminating subsidies on industries that have shown they can compete in the free market place on their own. I find nothing wrong with either concept. Now, while these measures are not being advertised as being "permanent" long-term measures, I can understand how people see them as a prelude to permanent changes in the tax code. To that, I say simply watch to ensure if these such measures aren't terminated within the timeframe outlined in the deficit proposal. If Congress is to be trusted again with doing its job, we have to do ours. And that means holding our congressman accountable. That's what you have the Tea Party/Blue Dog Democrats for, but neither can be so "dogmatic" that their idealogy becomes so rabbid that they lose sight of the bigger picture. And to keep career politicians from starting in on their rhetorical , the best the voting public can do is fire them now! and avoid that inevitability.

    You want to take back this country? Put the power back in the hands of the People. I think the moment is now. For me, that means getting rid of those who are out for self and not for the people who elected them to office.
    Giving the government more money isn't putting power back in the hands of the people. After this administrations huge give aways to Wall Street I don't even know how you could trust it to.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Most Republicans (and liberals) are a-ok with crony capitalism.

    Don't expect this to change soon.

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