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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem to have overlooked those two years where the Dems had absolute power, with an ability to follow through with every campaign promise made.

    But if promises are what interests you, without any intent of follow through, then you must enjoy the campaigns and the wishful thinking rather than the reality. That is not an uncommon trait among leftists. The dream is always preferable to the reality.
    Absolute power???? Please shoot us a link as to when the Democrats had a super majority in both houses necessary to defeat a filibuster on every vote. Thanks!
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the fact that Obama's approval rating is 43% and the 2010 Congress approval rating at 9% indicates who the American people think has fulfilled their promises the least.
    Why are we changing the topic from campaign promises to approval polls?
    What do polls have to do with Presidential or Congressional promise fulfillment?
    Considering that one poll rating that you use is on ONE person and the other is on 535 with diverse positions do you that might have an affect on the ratings?
    And ultimately the Constitution generally promotes gridlock in Congress and the public in general gets impatient with it wouldn't you expect low Congressional ratings when it is not dominated by one party?

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then it seems clear he was making promises he couldn't keep, wouldn't keep, or had no intention of keeping. But it also seems those same people who fell for his false promises still support him. This is very strange.
    That's just silly. Every candidate for office talks about what they're going to do, and everyone knows that the best we can hope for is that they will try to do what they say.

    By and large I'd say that Obama has tried to make good on his promises. The big exceptions would be Gitmo and some of the other War on Terror measures.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Absolute power???? Please shoot us a link as to when the Democrats had a super majority in both houses necessary to defeat a filibuster on every vote. Thanks!
    There were several times in 2009 that there WAS a super majority in the Senate before Scott Brown was elected, stipulation requested. Also don't forget the 'nuclear option' that would override a filibuster and only requires a simple majority.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    I CAN'T believe I have wasted whatever time debating the validity of presidential campaign promises...stupid me...done!

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    There were several times in 2009 that there WAS a super majority in the Senate before Scott Brown was elected, stipulation requested. Also don't forget the 'nuclear option' that would override a filibuster and only requires a simple majority.
    You mean the nuclear option that was never pursued?

    Anyway, they briefly had 60 POTENTIAL votes -- until Kennedy got so sick that he was rarely able to show up on the floor. But again, that assumes that Obama could muster 100% support from his caucus, which isn't that easy to do. Hell, Boehner's lucky if he can whip a simple majority of his caucus.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Absolute power???? Please shoot us a link as to when the Democrats had a super majority in both houses necessary to defeat a filibuster on every vote. Thanks!
    So despite having the Presidency, the House and the Senate, your argument is that that they still weren't sufficiently "filibuster proof" in order that BHO could keep his promises?

    How many times were they filibustered in order to stop Obama from keeping his campaign promises? You should take it easy on the Kool Aid.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's just silly. Every candidate for office talks about what they're going to do, and everyone knows that the best we can hope for is that they will try to do what they say.

    By and large I'd say that Obama has tried to make good on his promises. The big exceptions would be Gitmo and some of the other War on Terror measures.
    Which promises has he made good on, the ones you feel most pleased about?

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    There were several times in 2009 that there WAS a super majority in the Senate before Scott Brown was elected, stipulation requested. Also don't forget the 'nuclear option' that would override a filibuster and only requires a simple majority.
    A month of absolute power by the Democrats???

    "111th Congress

    The 111th Congress opened on January 3, 2009 with 55 Democrats and two independents in the caucus, for a total of 57 members. The membership total has changed several times since then:

    • Membership increased to 58 on January 12, 2009, when Roland Burris was sworn in to fill the seat that had been vacated by then-President-elect Barack Obama, who had resigned from the Senate on November 16, 2008 after being elected President.
    • The party change of Arlen Specter (from Republican to Democratic) on April 28, 2009 brought the total to 59.
    • When Democratic Senator Al Franken of Minnesota was sworn in on July 7, 2009, membership increased to 60.
    • Membership dropped back to 59 at the death of Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on August 26.
    • Membership increased back to 60 on the swearing-in of Paul G. Kirk, the designated interim replacement for Ted Kennedy, on September 24.
    • Membership returned to 59 on February 4, 2010 after the swearing-in of Scott Brown, who was elected to the seat following the special election on January 19, 2010.
    • Membership dropped to 58 upon the death of Senator Robert Byrd.
    • Membership returned to 59 with the swearing-in of Carte Goodwin, the designated interim replacement for Robert Byrd on July 20, 2010.[1]
    • Membership dropped to 58 with the swearing-in of Mark Kirk, who won the November 2 special election to fill Barack Obama's senate seat.

    With the swearing-in of Goodwin and the increase of the Democratic Caucus to 59 members, the Caucus will still need to gain one vote from the Republican Caucus to muster the 60 votes necessary under Senate Rule 22 to invoke cloture on motions to proceed on a number of major bills. Invoking cloture on a motion to proceed is a parliamentary maneuver that increasingly substitutes for invoking cloture on a filibuster of the underlying bill."


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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Why are we changing the topic from campaign promises to approval polls?
    What do polls have to do with Presidential or Congressional promise fulfillment?
    Considering that one poll rating that you use is on ONE person and the other is on 535 with diverse positions do you that might have an affect on the ratings?
    I provided public approval ratings to show how Americans judge who has fulfilled their promises the least.


    And ultimately the Constitution generally promotes gridlock in Congress and the public in general gets impatient with it wouldn't you expect low Congressional ratings when it is not dominated by one party?
    No, the Constitution promotes representation of We the people. According to the polls, and the record low approval ratings, the people are not deadlocked on the great majority of issues facing us.
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