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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Kinda confused here, Buffet is in court fighting his tax bills from as long as 10years ago, claiming that he should have paid less, and I'm sure with his wealth .. he has the most talented and expensive team of tax lawyers arguing his case for him.


    Then you say that if they raise his tax rates to an even higher percentage, he is suddenly going to turn subservient and and just start paying his “fair” share ??? I guess you mean to say .. what Buffett and his team of tax lawyers feel his fair share should be. Not you, I, or the government but what “he “ feels is fair.



    -chuckles- it funny how the hated rich can suddenly become the hero of the liberal party, just by making a public statement, saying he agrees with their talking point … while actions clearly state that he has no interest in paying "his fair share" until his high priced lawyers and accountants tell him this is as low as we can get your tax burden. But then with all the tax cheats in this administration this is really nothing new.
    For one thing, you are assuming Buffett has administrative control of all his business interests.

    Secondly, There is pending litigation regarding this case. It has not been determined for sure if Berkshire Hathaway actually owes the money to the IRS.

    "The IRS's assessments in this case improperly extend application of the ticket tax beyond commercial airline and charter passengers, to persons who own the aircraft on which they fly," the company said in the suit.

    NetJets also claimed that the IRS hadn't attempted to assess such taxes on rival fractional-jet businesses, placing the company "at a significant disadvantage."


    Berkshire's NetJets Sues IRS Over Tax Bill - WSJ.com

    Thirdly, Buffett has never claimed to want to pay more than what he legally owes.

    And finally, what excuse do you have for the other 199 millionaires that petitioned Congress to raise the capital gains tax rate?
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    For one thing, you are assuming Buffett has administrative control of all his business interests.

    Secondly, There is pending litigation regarding this case. It has not been determined for sure if Berkshire Hathaway actually owes the money to the IRS.

    "The IRS's assessments in this case improperly extend application of the ticket tax beyond commercial airline and charter passengers, to persons who own the aircraft on which they fly," the company said in the suit.

    NetJets also claimed that the IRS hadn't attempted to assess such taxes on rival fractional-jet businesses, placing the company "at a significant disadvantage."


    Berkshire's NetJets Sues IRS Over Tax Bill - WSJ.com

    Thirdly, Buffett has never claimed to want to pay more than what he legally owes.

    And finally, what excuse do you have for the other 199 millionaires that petitioned Congress to raise the capital gains tax rate?

    -chuckles- lets see the latest figure I could find is there are 3.1 million millionaires in the US out of those 3.1 million they could only come up with 200 …. 200 f**king hundred of them thats what less then 1/10 of 1%? Suddenly all you liberals are touting this like something special ???

    So what now? When 1/10 of 1% of any group says they should do something … it should be made law?? Chit man I knew you were a wide eyed liberal .. I just never knew even you were that liberal …. . you know I bet you I could get 1/10 of one percent of teachers to say they were overpaid ….. so hell . Lets cut every teachers pay …. I bet I could find 1/10 of 1% of the people of the US that still don't believe that Obama is a citizen … so damn . He must not be ..

    As you your point about Buffet .... I wasn't making a point about what he owed .. I was making a point about his mouthing off of "tax me more" if he honestly felt that way .... then he wouldn't be filing suit over the loop hole that . either you, I or 99.5% of Americans never even heard of ... it only goes to show he's not concerned with the middle class ... what he is concerned about is to make sure he ends up with the lowest tax liability possible. His company is already looking at overseas investments where his income won't be taxed as the US rates so he can avoid even more taxes ....

    also if you have any memory left at all .. you should remember I was one that was for letting the tax rates expire at the end of 2009 ... something that the democratic control house, senate, and white house refused to allow. ... so as far as I'm concerned .. the Bush tax cuts that were extended by only Democrats ... is nothing nothing more then a political campaign move now.

    you guys are just ….... well you figure it out .. cause it's against the rules for me to say it
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    -chuckles- lets see the latest figure I could find is there are 3.1 million millionaires in the US out of those 3.1 million they could only come up with 200 . 200 f**king hundred of them thats what less then 1/10 of 1%? Suddenly all you liberals are touting this like something special ???
    Frankly that is a much higher percentage of millionaires than I thought there would be that would put country before self!


    So what now? When 1/10 of 1% of any group says they should do something it should be made law??
    You seem to have forgotten that 66% of voters agree with eliminating the Bush tax cuts in your little equation there.

    Having a patriotic group of 200 millionaires that see the necessity of raising the capital gains rate and petitioning Congress to do so, is just icing on the cake.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Frankly that is a much higher percentage of millionaires than I thought there would be that would put country before self!




    You seem to have forgotten that 66% of voters agree with eliminating the Bush tax cuts in your little equation there.

    Having a patriotic group of 200 millionaires that see the necessity of raising the capital gains rate and petitioning Congress to do so, is just icing on the cake.
    And 66% of voters is a low low number .. seeing that you are talking about 98% that wouldn't be paying a higher tax .. it's easy for anyone to agree to higher taxes .. as long as it's not them paying it.

    They are not the Bush tax cuts, those expired ... it's now the Dem's tax cuts as it was them that extended them .. lets not forget that they controlled everything when they were extended. There wasn't even a vote needed to have them end .. so the Rep's could do nothing to extend them .. Obama and the rest of the liberals are using these tax cuts as a political campaign tool and nothing else .. . but trust me .... many Americans will remember who extended them for two years
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    And 66% of voters is a low low number .. seeing that you are talking about 98% that wouldn't be paying a higher tax .. it's easy for anyone to agree to higher taxes .. as long as it's not them paying it.
    Well you've got to figure a certain percentage of what i refer to as trailer park republicans who vote against their own economic interest because they have been fooled into believing that someday, maybe another 30 years or so, some of that extra money they have been paying in their taxes for tax cuts for the wealthy will come back to them.

    They are not the Bush tax cuts, those expired ... it's now the Dem's tax cuts as it was them that extended them .. lets not forget that they controlled everything when they were extended. There wasn't even a vote needed to have them end .. so the Rep's could do nothing to extend them .. Obama and the rest of the liberals are using these tax cuts as a political campaign tool and nothing else .. . but trust me .... many Americans will remember who extended them for two years
    No, the Bush tax cut were extended due to the threat by the GOP to cut off unemployment benefits to those that had lost their jobs, remember? YOu are wrong, there was a vote. They would have expired if there had not been a vote, and a majority of Democrats voted against extending the tax cuts for the wealthy.

    You think Americans will forget that the GOP used American's unemployment benefits as blackmail to continue the tax cuts for their clients???
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm talking about this:
    What exactly are you having a hard time under standing try reading my reply again paying attention to the area I bolded for you

    Where did I dream it up, if it's not totally obvious to you why Bin Laden attacked the twin towers then you and EX President Bush must lunch together, Bin Laden knew he could not take us on militarily but he had just seen the economic melt down the soviet union suffered so why not see if he could not use the same economic warfare on the USA, How could he know that ex President Bush would use the opportunity to invade Iraq. What could be better then President Bush over throwing Sadam and spreading the USA combat forces into another war front , remember Sadam and Bin Laden were not buddies. And now look at the mess ex President Bush created by removing Sadam again remember Iraq and Iran were not friendly. We removed a dictator Sadam who if nothing more could control Iraq keeping it a nation that Bin Laden and the Al Quida were not welcome in and a Sadam in power controlled Iranian influence in Iraq.

    Did you say were did I dream it up, I say wake up and take a look at our economy and then tell me exactly what the two wars accomplished that made America a safer and more prosperious nation
    I'm talking about this:


    Originally Posted by EarlzP
    What brought the soviets down was Osama Bin Laden...

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where'd you dream that up?
    In case you have forgotten...Afghanistan milked the Russian empire of whatever treasure they had left...they were quagmired there for years and lost miserably and were weakened financially and militarily considerably...kinda like we are...only were not losing like they were...its just costing us alot more

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well you've got to figure a certain percentage of what i refer to as trailer park republicans who vote against their own economic interest because they have been fooled into believing that someday, maybe another 30 years or so, some of that extra money they have been paying in their taxes for tax cuts for the wealthy will come back to them.
    Why can't they just be people who live in a trailer park that don't want to live on government hand outs?
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    It is apparent that you do not see, Being an American gives me the right to think for myself...
    No one including myself said that you don't have the right to think for yourself. More like questioning if that is the case. There is a difference.

    not just fall for any BS that flows from the mouth of anyone
    And according to liberal talking points, one could easily conclude that your statement that closely follows along with liberal anti war talking points during the Bush administration would be exactly falling for BS. Your line that I addressed is nothing new and quite interchangeable with 7 years of those spewed by that crowd. True thinking on your own I would think, bring much more thoughtful retrospect, rather than one liners.

    Our reason for invading Afghanistan was to kill or capture Bin Laden or was it?
    That was one facet of the mission yes.

    If so what took so long and why are we still there?
    That is a whole different thread, however, the short answer is that OBL was not the only objective for going in.

    Why did we invade Iraq? for what purpose?
    Again, different thread, and one that has been beat to death. If you need to re hash yet again, there is a search option, I am sure that there are at least 500 threads discussing the subject.

    These were wars prolonged long after the mission accomplished banner should have brought the troops home.
    I am no fan of 'nation building' either, however, situations are never static.

    I don't need to apologize for my view points. I was not drafted I volunteered for Viet Nam I served my country and then watched as they pulled us out after losing 58,000 american men and women.
    I can only thank you for your service, and say that the feeling you have about not being able to complete the job, and the disgust you obviously display about pulling troops from VN negating the cost of life of your fellow soldiers there, should not be reason to repeat that retreat.

    The only people who should be apologizing for thier actions are the ones who are afraid to speak up and the ones like you who would demean them for speaking out.
    I see, so if others don't agree with you that is an attack? Only you have the right to your opinion? Is that how it works? No one demeaned you, that is a sign of insecurity on your part.

    You don't have to agree with me
    Obviously, considering the body of your post above, I do, otherwise in your eyes I am doing something wrong by challenging your words. Your argument, and or opinion is not infallible just because you think you are right. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

    but you or no one else has the right to accuse me of hating my country because you have a different opinion then I do
    When you make a post speaking from the enemies POV, speaking like you have some insight into what OBL, or any other enemy of this country was thinking, all for the sake of undermining the mission of the troops sent on our behalf to do a difficult job under fire every day while you moan from your easy chair then yes I will question your motive. Service record or not. See I served too. And had family in harms way in Iraq.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No one including myself said that you don't have the right to think for yourself. More like questioning if that is the case. There is a difference.



    And according to liberal talking points, one could easily conclude that your statement that closely follows along with liberal anti war talking points during the Bush administration would be exactly falling for BS. Your line that I addressed is nothing new and quite interchangeable with 7 years of those spewed by that crowd. True thinking on your own I would think, bring much more thoughtful retrospect, rather than one liners.



    That was one facet of the mission yes.



    That is a whole different thread, however, the short answer is that OBL was not the only objective for going in.



    Again, different thread, and one that has been beat to death. If you need to re hash yet again, there is a search option, I am sure that there are at least 500 threads discussing the subject.



    I am no fan of 'nation building' either, however, situations are never static.



    I can only thank you for your service, and say that the feeling you have about not being able to complete the job, and the disgust you obviously display about pulling troops from VN negating the cost of life of your fellow soldiers there, should not be reason to repeat that retreat.



    I see, so if others don't agree with you that is an attack? Only you have the right to your opinion? Is that how it works? No one demeaned you, that is a sign of insecurity on your part.



    Obviously, considering the body of your post above, I do, otherwise in your eyes I am doing something wrong by challenging your words. Your argument, and or opinion is not infallible just because you think you are right. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.



    When you make a post speaking from the enemies POV, speaking like you have some insight into what OBL, or any other enemy of this country was thinking, all for the sake of undermining the mission of the troops sent on our behalf to do a difficult job under fire every day while you moan from your easy chair then yes I will question your motive. Service record or not. See I served too. And had family in harms way in Iraq.

    j-mac
    The parts of your reply that I have bolded above are nothing more then a lame rhetorical effort on your part to silence anyone who would question the legitiamacy of our need to go to war,putting american fighting men and women into harms way for any reason not related to protecting our country against an enemy should not be supported by any american who loves his/her country.

    To support your point of view please tell me what the end goals were and what we accomplished that could not have been accomplished without committing America's fighting men and women to war. Some people just blindly follow because they do not have the knowledge and or the capacity to think for thier selves, some do it because they are just to lazy, some do it to achieve other then thier stated intent in other words they lie to achieve a goal and in doing so sacrifice the lives of those who defend the country with thier blood.

    The problem I have with you and those like you is that you are intelligent enough to know when you are being lead by your nose and are willing to not only defend any action taken by our governement but have the gall to rhetorically attack the character of any one who disagrees with you.

    I do not hate any one or any thing, I will not be silenced by your rhetorical talking points. I am a true American I will fight any enemy foreign or domestic to protect America for my children and grand children.

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