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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You have to be kidding, right? If it was not for the leadershp skills of President Obama our economy would have totally collapsed we would of had 30% or more unemployed and another 20% plus under employed. If you want to know what decline feels like remember what it was like under the Bush administration

    AND

    President Obama managed to save the economy even though he had to try to negotiate with 279 elected republicans who had pledged to support the whims of one republican lobbyist Grover Norquist, how can you deal with the fact that 279 elected republicans signed away thier right to vote in the best interest of the people who elected them to represent the interests of Grover Norquist and his rulers
    wow, that is some interesting Obama worship there. and the interests of us who vote GOP is to stop the malignancy of more government and more taxes on those of us who pay too much as it is

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow, that is some interesting Obama worship there. and the interests of us who vote GOP is to stop the malignancy of more government and more taxes on those of us who pay too much as it is
    Just maybe President Bush should have raised taxes to pay for the two wars he started instead of borrowing from the Chinese,now we not only have to repay the loans but we have to do it with interest. What republican would lower taxes and then borrow money? Some of the GOP are the malignancy you talk about, he couldn't raise taxes why? He had signed the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Just maybe President Bush should have raised taxes to pay for the two wars he started instead of borrowing from the Chinese,now we not only have to repay the loans but we have to do it with interest.
    Now wait just a minute...

    ...Presidents tax the citizenry?

    What republican would lower taxes and then borrow money?
    Almost any modern Republican. Now your turn:

    What Democrat would continue the Bush tax cuts while borrowing even more money, waging just as much or more warfare, AND expanding entitlement programs? (hint, it is almost identical to my answer, except for one word)

    Some of the GOP are the malignancy you talk about,
    Could this mean you are starting to notice striking similarity between the parties?

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But I don't WANT bank of american bailed out. They are failing for a REASON.
    Pass House Bill 1489 to once again establish the firewall between investment banks and commercial banks and then I will be happy to let the investment banks fail. Until then, it would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If someone doesn't want to do it by choice, why then, would they argue to do it by force?
    Please explain how Buffett could increase the nation's revenues by hundreds of billions a year by increasing the capital gains tax by his choice alone???? Doesn't that require an act of Congress???
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Now wait just a minute...

    ...Presidents tax the citizenry?
    No it's better to start two wars borrow money to pay for them that the taxpayer will have to repay with interest rather then help the poor of this country is that what you are saying?

    Almost any modern Republican. Now your turn:
    What Democrat would continue the Bush tax cuts while borrowing even more money, waging just as much or more warfare, AND expanding entitlement programs? (hint, it is almost identical to my answer, except for one word)
    Listen to the GOP debates lately?

    Could this mean you are starting to notice striking similarity between the parties?
    Read my reply above it is exactly the same
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Pass House Bill 1489 to once again establish the firewall between investment banks and commercial banks and then I will be happy to let the investment banks fail. Until then, it would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
    Even without that bill passing, I'd much rather shoot myself in the foot, than in the head. To me, all this shows is the dude's true colors...he's willing to hand over money so the wealthy bankers can keep giving themselves gigantic bonuses...why doesn't he use that same money to instead start a fund to assist people with their mortgages? Keeping people in their houses during times of unemployment and other economic hardships does FAR more the economy, and the everyday person, than bailing out the poor business practices of Bank of America. No, this is Buffet looking to make money, not altruism.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please explain how Buffett could increase the nation's revenues by hundreds of billions a year by increasing the capital gains tax by his choice alone???? Doesn't that require an act of Congress???
    You're dodging the question. Just answer the question. It's a simply freaking question, and you can either answer it, or ignore it...but don't pretend for a second that anyone is fooled by your failed attempts to skirt it.

    If someone doesn't want to do it by choice, why then, would they argue to do it by force? Answer it, or shut up. And even so, I'll address the weak point you have tried to raise with your poor dodge.

    Buffet alone is not going to change anything just with his money, true. But then, even a pebble tossed into a pond can eventually become a wave. If you're not willing to toss the pebble, why would you expect to try to force others to do it for you? You gotta start somewhere...and I would be a LOT more behind these people if they were willing to start that SOMEWHERE by choice, rather than trying to start right out with the application of federal force against their fellow man.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Income gains in the U.S. are slowing and workers’ slice of the earnings pie is shrinking, raising the risk that consumer spending slackens next year.

    Gross domestic income, or the money earned by the people, businesses and government agencies whose purchases go into calculating growth, rose at an average 2.8 percent annual rate from April through September after climbing 4.3 percent in the previous six months, Commerce Department data on Nov. 22 showed. Employee compensation last quarter accounted for its smallest share since 1955.

    In contrast, the portion accruing to corporate profits was the biggest since 1950, showing companies are hoarding cash as concern grows that a European country will default on its debt and that deficit-reduction gridlock in Washington will continue. Without more pay and a pickup in hiring, households may ring in 2012 by making their own budget cuts.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    You're dodging the question. Just answer the question. It's a simply freaking question, and you can either answer it, or ignore it...but don't pretend for a second that anyone is fooled by your failed attempts to skirt it.

    If someone doesn't want to do it by choice, why then, would they argue to do it by force? Answer it, or shut up. And even so, I'll address the weak point you have tried to raise with your poor dodge.

    Buffet alone is not going to change anything just with his money, true. But then, even a pebble tossed into a pond can eventually become a wave. If you're not willing to toss the pebble, why would you expect to try to force others to do it for you? You gotta start somewhere...and I would be a LOT more behind these people if they were willing to start that SOMEWHERE by choice, rather than trying to start right out with the application of federal force against their fellow man.
    Your premise -- that Buffett is not willing to do it -- is false. Buffett is lobbying for a change that would apply to him. In other words, he is willing to do it so long as it's a systemic change.

    You are making the weak argument that conservatives always make in these cases: that there should be no collective action, when collective action is required, because person X hasn't volunteered by himself.

    If someone is trying to convince the town that 100,000 sandbags need to be laid down to hold back the river, it's senseless to criticize that man because he hasn't already laid down 20 or 30 sandbags himself.

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