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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The govt creates millions of jobs from the small local town to the cities to the states to the federal govt.....
    there are millions of hard-working Americans all over this country, working for the govt. From the Federal govt., to state govt, to county govt., to local govt....government has created millions of jobs, and continue to hire people from the private sector.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The govt creates millions of jobs from the small local town to the cities to the states to the federal govt....they are the only jobs paying a decent wage and affording their employees with a degree of security for their families...and because of this the Teaparty far right HATES THEM and wants them crushed. They dont want any comparisons to the rape that has been perpetrated on the working class in the private sector by the pigs at the trough. They dont want the private sector workers WAKING UP and shedding their fear and fighting back. Every teaparty supported gov that won in NOV attacked public workers...vilified them and took from them and either gave to the rich and corporations or tried too and failed....and thats what guaranteed that the gop can no longer be guaranteed my vote.

    Of course these private-sector workers are enslaved, but not, as you claim, by their employers. While they are the ones doing actual productive work, creating wealth and value, and contributing to the economy and to society as a whole; they are enslaved in that they are forced to give up some of their own earnings in taxes to support the government workers whom you lionize, who receive much higher wages and benefits than their private-sector counterparts do (and at the expense of their private-sector counterparts) while contributing much less.

    Your public-sector workers, are, in fact, the true “pigs at the trough”, consuming the wealth created by the private-sector workers.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For the gazillionth time: The government can't create jobs.
    the government can allocate more money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. that requires revenue, and it creates jobs.

    the government can allocate money to address our domestic energy problem head on by funding the research to discover what comes after oil, a problem which the private sector will not address in earnest until there's an even more serious crisis. and by then, we might not have enough time. a moonshot domestic energy infrastructure and research program will create a lot of jobs.

    the government can allocate money for numerous problems that are not being effectively addressed by the private sector.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, I now realize my post may have come off rougher than meant.
    Apology accepted...no harm, no foul.

    Sorry, I do not believe you address a real problem (debt) by adding even more debt. Your arguement is the same one used 2-3 years ago. I understand your arguement, I just completely disagree with it. If the government takes more money and spends more money the public is going to spend less and less. Yes, there will be some jobs filled but they will be offset by less public spending. We don't address our debt and stagnate like we are currently doing. Obama's plan is simply more of the same.
    You have to see both parts of the the President's proposals. So many people are focused on his jobs plan they forget about his deficit reduction plan. They are designed to work together, not separately.

    His deficit reduction plan is very similar, if not identical, to what he proposed during the debt limit negotiations - across the board spending cuts with some tax hikes/subsidy eliminations. If implemented, his proposals will reduce the debt and and pay down the deficit gradually over time. Considering that the conservatives on both sides of the political divide have been calling for less government spending, I see this as a good thing.

    I don't see how his jobs plan adds to the debt when it is designed to be deficit neutral. He's not asking to borrow more money, just use what revenues are generated via creative tax schemes (i.e., the "Buffet Rule" intended to increase the tax on hedge fund managers or by implementing the millionaire surtax as amended by Sen. Reid) or by offsetting spending by eliminating subsidies on industries that have shown they can compete in the free market place on their own. I find nothing wrong with either concept. Now, while these measures are not being advertised as being "permanent" long-term measures, I can understand how people see them as a prelude to permanent changes in the tax code. To that, I say simply watch to ensure if these such measures aren't terminated within the timeframe outlined in the deficit proposal. If Congress is to be trusted again with doing its job, we have to do ours. And that means holding our congressman accountable. That's what you have the Tea Party/Blue Dog Democrats for, but neither can be so "dogmatic" that their idealogy becomes so rabbid that they lose sight of the bigger picture. And to keep career politicians from starting in on their rhetorical , the best the voting public can do is fire them now! and avoid that inevitability.

    You want to take back this country? Put the power back in the hands of the People. I think the moment is now. For me, that means getting rid of those who are out for self and not for the people who elected them to office.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the government can allocate more money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. that requires revenue, and it creates jobs....
    govt. hires more teachers, firemen, cops, engineers, sanitation workers, etc etc.



    the idea that govt. cannot create jobs, is silly.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They can not create self sustainable jobs. O.K., maybe they can create a forest ranger who is paid with camping fee's but I shouldn't have to pay to stay somewhere I already own.

    They can in the large picture only create jobs that are paid by forcibly taking from others.
    That makes no sense on any level other than pure ideology. Jobs forcible taken from others?!?!?!?! What the hell does that even mean? What jobs did the TVA forcibly take from others? And please deal with the reality of the time and not some hypothetical coulda, shoulda, woulda fantasy.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They can not create self sustainable jobs. O.K., maybe they can create a forest ranger who is paid with camping fee's but I shouldn't have to pay to stay somewhere I already own.

    They can in the large picture only create jobs that are paid by forcibly taking from others.
    err.....civil servants pay income and other taxes too.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, there's just a law saying that the IRS has to take exactly what you owe, no more and no less. So no, no one is actually able to increase their taxes at will.
    But, there's no law that forces a tax-payer to take all the deductions that they are entitled to. These billionaires can take fewer deductions and thereby pay more in taxes.

    So, yes, everyone is able to increase their tax bill, at will.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the government can allocate more money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. that requires revenue, and it creates jobs.

    the government can allocate money to address our domestic energy problem head on by funding the research to discover what comes after oil, a problem which the private sector will not address in earnest until there's an even more serious crisis. and by then, we might not have enough time. a moonshot domestic energy infrastructure and research program will create a lot of jobs.

    the government can allocate money for numerous problems that are not being effectively addressed by the private sector.
    Who pays the bill?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The problem with your way of thinking is you believe that every wealthy individual believes as you do, that they'll all write that tax check. Not all will and even if they do, some will be more or less generous than the next. Of course, it is their choice, but we do live in a capitalist society. As such, if one can get away with paying little in taxes - whether rich or poor - they'll do what they can to avoid doing so. But here's the rub where the influence of the wealthy comes into play: LOBBYIST!

    When they are portrayed (or exposed) to helping to shape tax policy to such a degree where only those at the top see the biggest tax gains so much so that so much wealth is concentrated at the top, income accumulation becomes too lopsided. That's where we are today in our economic/free market/capitalistic system. What these billionaires are saying is "make money not for the sake of making money, but because you're doing things you're passionate about. Share your success with others; mentor. But above all do give back to those who helped you get to where you are. And if you truly believe in America, then do what you must do to keep America strong and that includes creating jobs right here at home." These people get it! They recognize that there is an income disparity in this country, but they also recognize that there can be something in it for them if they advocate a more balanced approach to our nation's drive for more economic prosperity for all who seek it.
    I'm not talking about all millionaires/billionaires. I'm referring to the ones that think they don't pay enough taxes. They can easily increase their tax burden by taking fewer write offs. It begs the question: If they're so hip on paying more taxes, why aren't they taking fewer write offs?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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