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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Interesting the two richest people in a capitalist society are useful idiots.

    Yep. That's my take on it...Regardless who the hell cares what they say? The only reason that you people are using them is because you think they fit in your 'infallible argument' fail. The point is that once Obama loses this next election they will fade into the background again.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep. That's my take on it...Regardless who the hell cares what they say?
    Id suggest that you do.

    The only reason that you people are using them is because you think they fit in your 'infallible argument' fail. The point is that once Obama loses this next election they will fade into the background again.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Id suggest that you do.



    When has Bill Gates ever been in the background?

    On the former, you'd be wrong, and the latter, I am an apple user, not much use for Gates.

    Sorry, try again.


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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These folks can voluntarily pay more taxes, by taking fewer deductions; no deductions, even.

    If they're not already doing that, then the whole, "please, tax me more", mantra is just bull****.
    Yourself and other Conservatives keep saying that, but that's not how it works. Wealthy individuals don't by custom simply write a check to the IRS to "deduct" more taxes from their income. Could they do it? Yes, but that's not how it works.

    They look for those "automatic deductions" that everyone within their income bracket look for. And if you don't "qualify" you simply don't go out of your way to "find" them unless it is to your advantage to do so.

    Therefore, this notion that wealthy individuals in order to show their patriotism would merely break out their checkbooks and write these large checks to "contribute" more of their wealth in "volunteer" taxes is foolheartdy. And frankly, that's the argument conservatism would like for people to believe. But it doesn't work like that. You know it, I know it and most politicians especially Republicans know it.

    If the wealthy are to write large checks it very likely will be a "tax write-off" towards a charitable donation, not a voluntery direct payment to the IRS. By the very definition of conservatism, wealthy individuals will never simiply "pay" more in taxes unless they know there is a financial benefit for them....you know...leveraging your income and all. Thus, the anti-tax Republican argument of "the wealthy can pay more in taxes simply by writing a check" goes in the face of "profitability, diversification and leveraging". It just will not happen in the way you and your fellow conservatives want the American people to believe.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Buffett patriotism: he puts his money where his mouth is!

    "Warren Buffett’s $5 billion investment in struggling Bank of America is the latest iteration of a business philosophy that you might call dollar patriotism.

    Earlier this month, in an op-ed column in The New York Times, Buffett urged Washington in this period of “shared sacrifice” to stop coddling the rich, raise taxes on millionaires, and jack them up even higher for the mega-rich (anyone pulling in more than $10 million a year).

    And now he is bucking up BofA and Wall Street and the country much as he did in the darkest days of the financial crisis."

    Read more: Warren Buffett's Patriotic Bailouts - Business Insider
    Patriotism? You think Warren BUffet would invest that money, if he thought there was a good chance that he was going to lose it?

    Gimme a break!
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yourself and other Conservatives keep saying that, but that's not how it works. Wealthy individuals don't by custom simply write a check to the IRS to "deduct" more taxes from their income. Could they do it? Yes, but that's not how it works.

    They look for those "automatic deductions" that everyone within their income bracket look for. And if you don't "qualify" you simply don't go out of your way to "find" them unless it is to your advantage to do so.

    Therefore, this notion that wealthy individuals in order to show their patriotism would merely break out their checkbooks and write these large checks to "contribute" more of their wealth in "volunteer" taxes is foolheartdy. And frankly, that's the argument conservatism would like for people to believe. But it doesn't work like that. You know it, I know it and most politicians especially Republicans know it.

    If the wealthy are to write large checks it very likely will be a "tax write-off" towards a charitable donation, not a voluntery direct payment to the IRS. By the very definition of conservatism, wealthy individuals will never simiply "pay" more in taxes unless they know there is a financial benefit for them....you know...leveraging your income and all. Thus, the anti-tax Republican argument of "the wealthy can pay more in taxes simply by writing a check" goes in the face of "profitability, diversification and leveraging". It just will not happen in the way you and your fellow conservatives want the American people to believe.
    Deductions are strictly voluntary. I would like to know how many folks in the, "please, raise my taxes", crowd voluntarily don't take deductions.

    Anyone that doesn't understand how to pay more taxes, on their own, doesn't know much about the tax code. Take fewer deductions...boom!...you pay more taxes.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The short answer is that the massive regulations that your man put into effect through his fiat government has done its job to make sure that Obama presides over the decline like he wanted to. Congratulations.

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    You have to be kidding, right? If it was not for the leadershp skills of President Obama our economy would have totally collapsed we would of had 30% or more unemployed and another 20% plus under employed. If you want to know what decline feels like remember what it was like under the Bush administration

    AND

    President Obama managed to save the economy even though he had to try to negotiate with 279 elected republicans who had pledged to support the whims of one republican lobbyist Grover Norquist, how can you deal with the fact that 279 elected republicans signed away thier right to vote in the best interest of the people who elected them to represent the interests of Grover Norquist and his rulers

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Buffett patriotism: he puts his money where his mouth is!

    "Warren Buffett’s $5 billion investment in struggling Bank of America is the latest iteration of a business philosophy that you might call dollar patriotism.

    Earlier this month, in an op-ed column in The New York Times, Buffett urged Washington in this period of “shared sacrifice” to stop coddling the rich, raise taxes on millionaires, and jack them up even higher for the mega-rich (anyone pulling in more than $10 million a year).

    And now he is bucking up BofA and Wall Street and the country much as he did in the darkest days of the financial crisis."

    Read more: Warren Buffett's Patriotic Bailouts - Business Insider
    But I don't WANT bank of american bailed out. They are failing for a REASON.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Interesting the two richest people in a capitalist society are useful idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yourself and other Conservatives keep saying that, but that's not how it works. Wealthy individuals don't by custom simply write a check to the IRS to "deduct" more taxes from their income. Could they do it? Yes, but that's not how it works.

    They look for those "automatic deductions" that everyone within their income bracket look for. And if you don't "qualify" you simply don't go out of your way to "find" them unless it is to your advantage to do so.

    Therefore, this notion that wealthy individuals in order to show their patriotism would merely break out their checkbooks and write these large checks to "contribute" more of their wealth in "volunteer" taxes is foolheartdy. And frankly, that's the argument conservatism would like for people to believe. But it doesn't work like that. You know it, I know it and most politicians especially Republicans know it.

    If the wealthy are to write large checks it very likely will be a "tax write-off" towards a charitable donation, not a voluntery direct payment to the IRS. By the very definition of conservatism, wealthy individuals will never simiply "pay" more in taxes unless they know there is a financial benefit for them....you know...leveraging your income and all. Thus, the anti-tax Republican argument of "the wealthy can pay more in taxes simply by writing a check" goes in the face of "profitability, diversification and leveraging". It just will not happen in the way you and your fellow conservatives want the American people to believe.
    If someone doesn't want to do it by choice, why then, would they argue to do it by force?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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