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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That would make sense only if the rich had not been allowed to vote (or buying off politicians) to decrease their taxes over the last 30 years.

    Wow, now this is amazing. Now watch what happens when I change one word....

    "That would make sense only if the Unions had not been allowed to vote (or buying off politicians) to decrease their taxes over the last 30 years."


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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    How convenient.

    Billionaires, whose money can't be taxed after the fact, want FUTURE up-and-coming billionaires to have their pants taxed off.

    Sounds like an ingenius way to keep the Billionaires Club to a minimal membership. Aristocracy?
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, now this is amazing. Now watch what happens when I change one word....

    "That would make sense only if the Unions had not been allowed to vote (or buying off politicians) to decrease their taxes over the last 30 years."


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    Only two failures with your analogy there J: 1, unions have decreased in power over the last 30 years, and 2, tax rates have decreased more for the rich than they have the working class over the last 30 years.

    You did spell unions correctly however, so you get points for that!
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by rosie1 View Post
    I worked at the government trough for 30 years. The term "public servant" in quite accurate. We were constantly underfunded and understaffed at the (health) agency where I worked. The paper work was never caught up.
    Yes, aperwork often times seems to be more important that helping the tax payer. (not a knock on social workers but with those who think so much paperwork is needed).

    Services to the poor, women/children and the mentally ill were always being cut. This made for waiting lists for services. Physically ill, mentally ill and sometimes even dangerous people waited for services. Our staff were will trained to deal any emergency which might appear at our front counter. We had to be pleasant and precise to people who were at their best civil and at their worst rude, abusive and frequently scarey. We could not wear religious jewery, have any such material in sight at our desks, any political bumper stickers on our cars; nor could we express our political views in public. If staff as group had decided where the biggest cuts were made, it likely would have been in management. But, I've seldom seen that happen enough in any agency.
    Controlling bunch weren't they?

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only two failures with your analogy there J: 1, unions have decreased in power over the last 30 years, and 2, tax rates have decreased more for the rich than they have the working class over the last 30 years.

    You did spell unions correctly however, so you get points for that!

    Decreasing in popularity are by no means a decrease in power...Take a quick gander at who is in the WH, and who has the ear of the President. I'd say that is a significant increase in power. Also, considering the recent payoffs Unions enjoyed at the hand of the tax payer through stimulus, and now the proposed stimulus II, they are just fine, it is the people that are hurting.

    Now you do however get points for sticking to the strategic talking points.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    tunnels, and buildings for material failures and other safety hazard, its still a total loss to the govt. and the tax payer?
    Hard to say because he only known way of reliably determining market value, is a sufficiently large and unburdened "free" market. Hence, the issue. How much of it is waste due to unions, or due to lobbyists, or due to revolving door w/private sector. Or politics, or corruption, or laxness due to overly high job security. Who are going to ask, the fox in the hen house? And wait, we don't have a direct choice? Ouch.

    I do sympathize in that it IS a hard issues to tackle, the minute you start using taxpayer money at that large of a degree, all of these dillemas do arise because of human nature. Sure a retired teacher may claim the laborers they represented in union efforts deserved what they got, and he deserved his really nice pension, but then why would he not? The fact that people had no direct choice in the matter in supporting that, creates the conflict.

    That's one reason reducing governments footprint is a solution, it solves a lot of this type of an issue.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Decreasing in popularity are by no means a decrease in power...

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    Decreasing union membership means decreasing power, as evidenced by tax rates for the working class being reduced less than tax rates for the rich.
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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How convenient.

    Billionaires, whose money can't be taxed after the fact, want FUTURE up-and-coming billionaires to have their pants taxed off.

    Sounds like an ingenius way to keep the Billionaires Club to a minimal membership. Aristocracy?
    Just means less competition for them.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Decreasing union membership means decreasing power, as evidenced by tax rates for the working class being reduced less than tax rates for the rich.
    Never mind the foriegn competition influence. I make $26.50 an hour non union. I'm not even at the top of the pay scale.

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    Re: ABC's "20/20 - Lessons from Billionaires: Tax ME to create jobs IN AMERICA!"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Never mind the foriegn competition influence. I make $26.50 an hour non union. I'm not even at the top of the pay scale.
    Not sure of the point you are trying to make, are you saying you think you are overpaid in your non-union job there?
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