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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    They're not camping out as you would in a national park. What a disingenuous remark.

    They're camping out in protest. Would it make a difference if they were there in person instead of in tents overnight? It doesn't seem like it. Other cities with non-camping protests are still getting jackbooted by police. Chicago, Oakland... what next?

    The protests are being closed down due to permit violations, but what sickens me the most is that apologists such as yourself will defend the brutal actions of police that are in turn a result of the unconstitutional permit system. You don't need a permit to exercise your First Amendment rights, yet most major cities in America now have permit requirements for protesting, which in turn direct protesters to go to "special protest zones" where they will have the least amount of obstruction. Do you realize the permit system is new, as of the 1970's when protesting stopped the Vietnam war?

    The point of protest is to obstruct and spread awareness. The action of police and city hall are unconstitutional. I wish people would see this for what it is already. Police are committing acts of violence against the innocent, and you sit here berating the protesters.

    There is no hope for America when Americans deride one another for exercising their civil obligation to protest and keep the powers in check.

    Disgusting.
    I have yet to see any "police violence" as a result of a lack of protest permits.

    Im not saying they don't exist, I haven't read any stories related to this...

    Care to provide some insight into this?
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The part, which I have bolded, is complete BS, and nothing but Republican talking points, otherwise known as lies. Here is the actual video, where you can see that no rocks or bottles were thrown by any demonstrators, but that plenty of cannisters were thrown directly AT THE DEMONSTRATORS by the cops. This was a completely unprovoked attack against the demonstrators. In the video, you will see tear gas cannisters thrown directly at those who attempted to provide medical aid to the wounded vet, who had been hit in the face by a cannister. There was clearly no regard for human life here.

    Cops should be rotting in prison for this.

    So, are you calling the protester who reluctantly admitted to that one popular MSNBC anchor (whose name escapes me at the moment) that the protesters did in fact throw rocks bottles and such at police before they commenced to use riot control techniques on them a liar?

    She was present... you are watching a short video that does not encompass the entirety of the scenario.
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    They're not camping out as you would in a national park. What a disingenuous remark.

    They're camping out in protest. Would it make a difference if they were there in person instead of in tents overnight? It doesn't seem like it. Other cities with non-camping protests are still getting jackbooted by police. Chicago, Oakland... what next?

    The protests are being closed down due to permit violations, but what sickens me the most is that apologists such as yourself will defend the brutal actions of police that are in turn a result of the unconstitutional permit system. You don't need a permit to exercise your First Amendment rights, yet most major cities in America now have permit requirements for protesting, which in turn direct protesters to go to "special protest zones" where they will have the least amount of obstruction. Do you realize the permit system is new, as of the 1970's when protesting stopped the Vietnam war?

    The point of protest is to obstruct and spread awareness. The action of police and city hall are unconstitutional. I wish people would see this for what it is already. Police are committing acts of violence against the innocent, and you sit here berating the protesters.

    There is no hope for America when Americans deride one another for exercising their civil obligation to protest and keep the powers in check.

    Disgusting.

    Fine. You want protesters to be able to disrupt normal business and obstruct roads? And police to do nothing about it?

    Okay. But don't expect the police to intervene when I, as a private citizen, find my right of way obstructed by protesters and start my OWN protest by whuppin' the **** out of six or eight of 'em.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    precisely. i find it interesting that the same protestors that want the cops to come protect them from the criminal elements attracted to them are now all upset that they are there. The cops are there for everyones' protection - but our big government anarchists (i know, i know, but you have to remember that it's not like they are internally coherent) seem to take that for granted.... as they do everything else.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    I just watched the video DANA posted again..

    The creator of the video flawed..

    They pointed out "Notice the canister flying through the air" Yet they failed to make the distinction that the canister they pointed out was traveling BACK to the police, because the stupid protesters picked it up and threw it back.

    You can see that in another video posted in another Oakland thread I must go dig up
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    They pointed out "Notice the canister flying through the air" Yet they failed to make the distinction that the canister they pointed out was traveling BACK to the police, because the stupid protesters picked it up and threw it back.
    Or it was fired from the other side, but regardless this is proper procedure when a tear gas canister is thrown/shot at you.
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I just watched the video DANA posted again..

    The creator of the video flawed..

    They pointed out "Notice the canister flying through the air" Yet they failed to make the distinction that the canister they pointed out was traveling BACK to the police, because the stupid protesters picked it up and threw it back.

    You can see that in another video posted in another Oakland thread I must go dig up
    Either you are hallucinating, or you are just making it up as you go along.

    To everybody: Watch the video, and note what happens at the 1:45 mark. The cannister is clearly coming from the police, and explodes right in the midst of those who were attempting to provide medical assistance to the wounded vet.
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    To everybody: Watch the video, and note what happens at the 1:45 mark. The cannister is clearly coming from the police, and explodes right in the midst of those who were attempting to provide medical assistance to the wounded vet.
    The second one is obvious, Caine is ignoring that one because it is indefensible and instead focusing on the first one, that injured Scott.

    Actually, no he's not he's just whining about bottle and rock throwing and about how the protestors had the gall to defend themselves against a tear gas attack.
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Either you are hallucinating, or you are just making it up as you go along.

    To everybody: Watch the video, and note what happens at the 1:45 mark. The cannister is clearly coming from the police, and explodes right in the midst of those who were attempting to provide medical assistance to the wounded vet.
    Thats well after the initial exchange. Dude was already down. No one got hurt by the one tossed into the crowd. The crowd shouldnt have come back. The video you posted is seriously hacked and edited.

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