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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Unbelievable. Who owns public land? The government?

    Or... wait for it... the public?
    precisely. us, the public. if you want to use our land, you need to take that up with our authorized agent - the government .

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

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    Okay, let's get this on record then: the public an individual group has no right to public land... or at the very best, a limited right, as determined by the government the sovereign people via their representatives. Correct?
    that is correct.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

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    Yes, after the police invaded the original encampment, violently throwing the protesters out, critically hospitalizing at least one, the protesters came back to re-take the park. Does not one (police) invasion beget another?
    no. because one is legal, and the other is not. having been legally evicted from the park, the protestors should have taken the same steps that everyone else has to take to use the publics' land for protest.

    mind you, that's not exactly something that naturally occurs to these people - that they have any kind of personal responsibility, or should have to actually go to any effort to get what they want. So i understand the mentality that fed their decision - I just can't condone its' allowance.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree with the Iraq and Afghanistan Vets, there should be a full investigation of this.
    ah. so you stand with racist neo-nazis, then.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    check it out dave, this guy is out there fighting for human freedom:

    This is the true 'face of the movement.'

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. so you stand with racist neo-nazis, then.
    Do you have a reading comprehension problem, I said I stand with the statement on the injured Iraq Vet by The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA):

    "IAVA is the country's first and largest nonprofit, nonpartisan organization for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and has more than 200,000 Member Veterans and civilian supporters nationwide.

    We are a 21st Century veterans’ organization dedicated to standing with the veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan from their first day home through the rest of their lives. We strive to build an empowered generation of veterans who provide sustainable leadership for our country and their communities."

    "Who is an IAVA member veteran?

    IAVA’s average member veteran is:

    * Male - 88.7%
    * 26-30 Years old - 33.1%
    * Veteran of the Iraq War - 68.4%
    * Served in the Army - 67.6%
    * Student - 36.8% or has a Civilian job - 35.5%
    * Married with children - 40.4%
    * Owns their own home - 44.6%
    * Politically independent - 35.2%"

    IAVA - IAVA Mission and History | Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then I would suggest you go there, as your opinion is incorrect. If someone had thrown a bottle, rock, and small explosives at me when I was in Iraq, they would have been killed. If you run up to a patrol today with something unidentifiable in your hand and move to throw it at them, they will all turn en masse and ventilate you.

    furthermore, some smoke grenades pop off - and the signature of that "explosion" is much smaller than you would get from a flashbang. I notice the distinct lack of people incapacitated. My bet would be you got the right angle of the top of a smoke grenade, or one of the idiot protestors dropped or poorly threw their firecracker.



    fascinating. considering they were using non-lethal force in response to what technically falls under the definition of a deadly threat triggering the 7 Justifications of Deadly Force, I would be interested in hearing what you think the nicer kinder gentler reaction (vice tear gas) to being charged by a crowd hurling explosives (because that is what firecrackers are) would be. Rubber bullets and tear gas hurt - but mallets to the skull hurt much worse.



    that's funny. I was kind of thinking the same thing about the criminals who were attacking them.



    this guy doesn't put anything on a higher plateau any more than all the vets in the Tea Party put that movement on a higher plateau. If you want to get into a "who do the vets support" chest-thumper, the OWS crowd will lose that in a landslide.
    The part, which I have bolded, is complete BS, and nothing but Republican talking points, otherwise known as lies. Here is the actual video, where you can see that no rocks or bottles were thrown by any demonstrators, but that plenty of cannisters were thrown directly AT THE DEMONSTRATORS by the cops. This was a completely unprovoked attack against the demonstrators. In the video, you will see tear gas cannisters thrown directly at those who attempted to provide medical aid to the wounded vet, who had been hit in the face by a cannister. There was clearly no regard for human life here.

    Cops should be rotting in prison for this.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The part, which I have bolded, is complete BS, and nothing but Republican talking points, otherwise known as lies. Here is the actual video, where you can see that no rocks or bottles were thrown by any demonstrators, but that plenty of cannisters were thrown directly AT THE DEMONSTRATORS by the cops. This was a completely unprovoked attack against the demonstrators. In the video, you will see tear gas cannisters thrown directly at those who attempted to provide medical aid to the wounded vet, who had been hit in the face by a cannister. There was clearly no regard for human life here.

    Cops should be rotting in prison for this.

    I especially like the sign held up at the 30 second mark...the revolutionary communist party...THIS is what we are fighting for. But...thats neither here nor there...

    This video is yet another that has a few very conveeeeenient gaps. How do we go from the former sailor and former marine standing by the back barricade then suddenly to the front? What transpired during that time? When the video began the police can be heard very lcearly telling them to disperse or tear gas would be used. Instead of 'dispersing' they moved forward. What did they THINK was going to be the result? Precisely what WAS the result. Sucks when you get what you want, doesnt it?

    Next time someone posts 'proof' that there was no precipitating incident it would sure be nice if they stopped offering edited videos.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes, after the police invaded the original encampment, violently throwing the protesters out, critically hospitalizing at least one, the protesters came back to re-take the park. Does not one (police) invasion beget another?

    Would not John Rambo say (of the police): "They drew first blood!"

    Would not the audience nod approvingly?
    Dont respond if you don't know the timeline.

    The guy hospitalized was injured during the attempt to RE-TAKE the park from authorities.........
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I must have missed where the protesters were cutting down trees for firewood. Got a link?
    Its the same ideology expressed by those who think they have the right to live on public land......

    Do try to keep up.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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