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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine, replying to another View Post
    All the violence reported on the Oakland scenario, as I pointed out in another thread with my list of three TIMELINED links began in the attempt to RE-OCCUPY the park later that night.

    Police moved them out in the morning hours, by 7pm a group tried to come back and RE-TAKE the park.....

    They staged a ****ing invasion, and you and others somehow believe this should be allowed and is a part of "non-violent" "Peaceful" protesting....
    Yes, after the police invaded the original encampment, violently throwing the protesters out, critically hospitalizing at least one, the protesters came back to re-take the park. Does not one (police) invasion beget another?

    Would not John Rambo say (of the police): "They drew first blood!"

    Would not the audience nod approvingly?


    With his long hair [damn liberal] and military-style coat, he is quickly spotted by the town's overzealous and paranoid [redneck] sheriff, Will Teasle (Brian Dennehy) who quickly drives Rambo out of town, noting his strong distaste for "drifters." Rambo heads back toward town immediately, causing Teasle to get suspicious and arrest him.

    Rambo stands his ground against the officers at the station and is brutalized and harassed by Art Galt (Jack Starrett), the sheriff's cruel head deputy [...]

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    jeez, the hyperbole is thick in here....

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You don't have the right to live on public lands. Period. You can assemble, protest, and go home, come back the next day.... protest, go home, etc. When you show me that someone has the right to live on land they don't pay for, I will back down.
    Unbelievable. Who owns public land? The government?

    Or... wait for it... the public?

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Unbelievable. Who owns public land? The government?

    Or... wait for it... the public?
    Do you think that means you can take a shower in the city fountain in the plaza anytime it strikes your fancy? Or camp out on the lawn at 1600 Pennsyvania avenue?

    Some places are designated for certain uses. You want to camp out, you can camp where you like in most National Forests and they won't say a thing.

    City parks aren't designated for this purpose. Preventing people from camping =/= preventing them from protesting.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Unbelievable. Who owns public land? The government?

    Or... wait for it... the public?
    he's right.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin, replying to Karl View Post
    Do you think that means you can take a shower in the city fountain in the plaza anytime it strikes your fancy?
    Public decency (indecency/nudity) concerns aside, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin, replying to Karl View Post
    Or camp out on the lawn at 1600 Pennsyvania avenue?
    There might be some legitimate security concerns there. However, I would not necessarily view those as preeminent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin, replying to Karl View Post
    Some places are designated for certain uses. You want to camp out, you can camp where you like in most National Forests and they won't say a thing.
    If I'm protesting the government, or a public injustice, I can camp out (on public property) wherever I damn well please. So sayeth the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Courts of the United States of America, and any Patriot worthy of the name.


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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla, replying to Karl View Post
    he's right.
    Okay, let's get this on record then: the public has no right to public land... or at the very best, a limited right, as determined by the government. Correct?

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Unbelievable. Who owns public land? The government?

    Or... wait for it... the public?
    You would be ok with me cutting down trees as I pleased on U.S. Forest Service land? Say, if I needed some fire wood, I could go drop a couple of oak trees at random and use them for fuel? I mean, it's my property, yes?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You would be ok with me cutting down trees as I pleased on U.S. Forest Service land? Say, if I needed some fire wood, I could go drop a couple of oak trees at random and use them for fuel? I mean, it's my property, yes?
    I must have missed where the protesters were cutting down trees for firewood. Got a link?
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    Re: Injured Iraq veteran is face of Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Do you think that means you can take a shower in the city fountain in the plaza anytime it strikes your fancy? Or camp out on the lawn at 1600 Pennsyvania avenue?

    Some places are designated for certain uses. You want to camp out, you can camp where you like in most National Forests and they won't say a thing.

    City parks aren't designated for this purpose. Preventing people from camping =/= preventing them from protesting.
    They're not camping out as you would in a national park. What a disingenuous remark.

    They're camping out in protest. Would it make a difference if they were there in person instead of in tents overnight? It doesn't seem like it. Other cities with non-camping protests are still getting jackbooted by police. Chicago, Oakland... what next?

    The protests are being closed down due to permit violations, but what sickens me the most is that apologists such as yourself will defend the brutal actions of police that are in turn a result of the unconstitutional permit system. You don't need a permit to exercise your First Amendment rights, yet most major cities in America now have permit requirements for protesting, which in turn direct protesters to go to "special protest zones" where they will have the least amount of obstruction. Do you realize the permit system is new, as of the 1970's when protesting stopped the Vietnam war?

    The point of protest is to obstruct and spread awareness. The action of police and city hall are unconstitutional. I wish people would see this for what it is already. Police are committing acts of violence against the innocent, and you sit here berating the protesters.

    There is no hope for America when Americans deride one another for exercising their civil obligation to protest and keep the powers in check.

    Disgusting.
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