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Fights erupt among Occupiers

VanceMack said:
Oh its good old fashioned socialism at its finest...the rich and elite will profit from their little ruckus, someone else pays for the food and expenses, and for all their talk about concern over corporations these weiners whine about having to share their stuff with the homeless.
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When you watch Robin Hood, what's it like to pull for Prince John?
 
VanceMack said:
Oh its good old fashioned socialism at its finest...the rich and elite will profit from their little ruckus, someone else pays for the food and expenses, and for all their talk about concern over corporations these weiners whine about having to share their stuff with the homeless.
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Sounds like a story I read once. You know the one?
 
whysoserious said:
When you watch Robin Hood, what's it like to pull for Prince John?
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Prince John was the government. It's not the Conservatives that pull for more government greed.
 
whysoserious said:
I think you missed a major part of that movie/story.
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The part about the greedy, over-reaching government that oppressed the people with sky high taxation? Is that the part you mean?
 
That's exactly correct. The conservatives pull for more Corporate greed. More for the Corporate in every way and every day. Ignorance personified in the movement by ignoring social responsibilities such as Global Warming, wars for big corporate profit, pollution, etc. Mitigation hurts corporate profits. OWS is intended to promote "fear" on Wall Street by a confrontation with reality.
 
Temporal said:
It's funny that people will believe a NY Post article more than their fellow activists.

You have no idea if this article is true or not, and in the least you don't know the severity. There are over 10,000 people at OWS right now. Are you saying that a few skirmishes means the movement is ineffective?

Please, get a clue. You're willfully giving into and supporting a propaganda machine whose soul purpose is to discredit this movement. You won't find one positive article in either the NY Times or NY Post about the OWS protests. They all blast it in some way or another.

Instead of letting mass media do the thinking for you, I suggest you walk down to your local Occupy movement and talk to, you know, real people about what's going on?
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I'm sorry, I don't have time to spare on my job to go to some idiots that has no unified voice, to be insulted for earning more than them, to be insulted for providing my kids with education and a nice home while I'm not feeding them, and to listen to communist, socialist, anti-capitalistic bull****
 
DaveFagan said:
That's exactly correct. The conservatives pull for more Corporate greed. More for the Corporate in every way and every day. Ignorance personified in the movement by ignoring social responsibilities such as Global Warming, wars for big corporate profit, pollution, etc. Mitigation hurts corporate profits.
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I'll take my chances with greedy corporations instead of greedy politicians. Corporations have me way more money than the government has. The only the thing government ever did was take my money.


OWS is intended to promote "fear" on Wall Street by a confrontation with reality.
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Fearmongering is the Left's best friend.
 
apdst said:
The part about the greedy, over-reaching government that oppressed the people with sky high taxation? Is that the part you mean?
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Yes, by taxing the poor and giving to the rich. How do you not know that? Robin Hood was a dirty, socialist bastard.
 
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whysoserious said:
Yes, by taxing the poor and giving to the rich. How do you not know that? Robin Hood was a dirty, socialist bastard.
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Well, no, it was taxing everyone and giving to the government. You should do some historical research of the time period and learn that the government was trying to make everyone poor. BTW, only the land owners paid taxes in the 12th Century--the time in which Robin Hood legend is set.
 
apdst said:
Fearmongering is the Left's best friend.
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Actually, progressives have many good friends. Among them are Truth, Reality, the Historical Record, and Education. The far right lumps all those together and then claims we are trying to scare the masses because we attempt to illuminate and educate America to the evils of the far right, their sycophants and toadies and their evil works and designs.
 
Looks like Wall Street is Obama's best friend. He gets substantial campaign contributions from giants of Wall Street while giving OWS crowd the reach around.

That's change you can depend on. :laughat:

Obama 2012 Campaign Receives More Wall Street Donations Than All GOP Candidates Combined at Pat Dollard

Despite frosty relations with the titans of Wall Street, President Obama has still managed to raise far more money this year from the financial and banking sector than Mitt Romney or any other Republican presidential candidate, according to new fundraising data.
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As a result, Obama has brought in more money from employees of banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data. The numbers show that Obama retains a persistent reservoir of support among Democratic financiers who have backed him since he was an underdog presidential candidate four years ago.
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Temporal said:
Instead of letting mass media do the thinking for you, I suggest you walk down to your local Occupy movement and talk to, you know, real people about what's going on?
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Don't listen to the media, they're biased! Instead go talk to the people actually protesting because obviously they're not biased.

:roll:

Even if the media is biased, which I admit is a possibility, people actually DOING the protests are ALSO going to likely be biased but simply biased TOWARDS the protests. All you're doing is trading one bias you don't like for a bias you do like.
 
haymarket said:
Actually, progressives have many good friends. Among them are [/b]Truth, Reality, the Historical Record, and Education.[/b] The far right lumps all those together and then claims we are trying to scare the masses because we attempt to illuminate and educate America to the evils of the far right, their sycophants and toadies and their evil works and designs.
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Right!!!!!! :lamo

Jim Jones was a Progressive. He was totally awesome, huh?
 
apdst said:
Right!!!!!! :lamo

Jim Jones was a Progressive. He was totally awesome, huh?
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That reply makes no sense on any level in advancing any idea of any kind.

by the way - how are you coming along on those other state referendum votes of the people on secession in the Civil War era?
 
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haymarket said:
That reply makes no sense on any level in advancing any idea of any kind.
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Of course you would say that.

How about you show us that awesome historical record that is the Libbo's best friend. Can't wait!
 
DaveFagan said:
That's exactly correct. The conservatives pull for more Corporate greed. More for the Corporate in every way and every day. Ignorance personified in the movement by ignoring social responsibilities such as Global Warming, wars for big corporate profit, pollution, etc. Mitigation hurts corporate profits. OWS is intended to promote "fear" on Wall Street by a confrontation with reality.
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since 1972 the year we came off the gold standard our society has been built on a house of cards, wall street and the paper it peddles is worthless today..it's only paper and not hard currency. We will all loose when it's time to pay the piper.
 
haymarket said:
That reply makes no sense on any level in advancing any idea of any kind.
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Margaret Sanger was a Progressive and so was FDR.

by the way - how are you coming along on those other state referendum votes of the people on secession in the Civil War era?
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I already prove my point. It's time for you to prove me wrong, which I know you can't do, so why not just leave other threads where they are?
 
apdst said:
Well, no, it was taxing everyone and giving to the government. You should do some historical research of the time period and learn that the government was trying to make everyone poor. BTW, only the land owners paid taxes in the 12th Century--the time in which Robin Hood legend is set.
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The Real Robin Hood
Over the course of 700 years, the outlaw from Nottinghamshire who robs from the rich to give to the poor has emerged as one of the most enduring folk heroes in popular culture–and one of the most versatile.
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In 14th-century England, where agrarian discontent had begun to chip away at the feudal system, he appears as an anti-establishment rebel who murders government agents and wealthy landowners.
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The entire story of Robin Hood was about taking from the rich and giving to the poor - whether government entities or private did not matter. This is what conservatives and their restless defense of all things Capitalism has come to:

Why the Robin Hood Story is the Worst Story Ever Told in the History of Our Generation?
Money Isn’t Evil

The very foundation of the Robin Hood argument is that having money means you either didn’t deserve it, or have somehow received it by wronging others. While this certainly might be true in some cases, the truth is that most people earn wealth by making great contributions to society. Wealth is an effect of having given value in some form or another, so demonizing the wealthy is…

Harmful to Capitalism !
You Have No Right to It

Merely existing is not proper justification for having money, you have to earn it. Money shouldn’t come in the form of handouts, but in the form of a return on hard work. The Robin Hood lesson teaches children that it’s OK to be lazy, because…

Someone Else
Will Take Care of You !
Stealing is Wrong

We’ve all heard that two wrongs don’t make a right, and some would argue “what about an eye for an eye?” Either way, I think we’re thinking about the issue…

Improperly !
Stealing, whether from the rich or the poor, is wrong, and because most children aren’t learning to frame the Robin Hood argument in its true historical context, they’re learning more about getting what they want, even when they don’t have a right to it, than they are about history, which is what…
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What is this world coming to when Robin Hood, the Price of Thieves who steals from the rich, is being chastised as a negative influence? :doh
 
whysoserious said:
The Real Robin Hood


What is this world coming to when Robin Hood, the Price of Thieves who steals from the rich, is being chastised as a negative influence? :doh
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I'd say it's not too surprising that promoting theft may be considered a negative influence.

You want to compare the land owning class of feudal medieval Europe to anything vaguely successful in democratic, modern day America, you can go ahead, the latter certainly had no bearing on how the legend of Robin Hood came to be.
 
apdst said:
Of course you would say that.

How about you show us that awesome historical record that is the Libbo's best friend. Can't wait!
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I have already done that. remember? You claimed that you were going to show us the eleven Confederate states which held public referendums to secede and even three more border states which did not and you failed miserably to do anything buy show us three.... and even in one of those the state split in two over the results.

The historical record is definitely NOT your friend. Of course, it helps when you tell the truth about what is in it. ;)
 
Isn't it surprising how FEW people have joined OWC. Remember this is NYC with a population of over 8 million and tens of thousands of college kids and hundreds of thousands of poor and unemployed.

My sense is that if this was a right leaning organization, besides being called kooks the media would have rightly pointed out how small the protest with little traction.
 
washunut said:
Isn't it surprising how FEW people have joined OWC. Remember this is NYC with a population of over 8 million and tens of thousands of college kids and hundreds of thousands of poor and unemployed.

My sense is that if this was a right leaning organization, besides being called kooks the media would have rightly pointed out how small the protest with little traction.
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I don't think it is. I would not participate in the event as it is constituted and my views are very much left of center and could even be accused of being far left on some of these issues. I support their right to protest and I hope that some of the issues involved get far more attention - but that particular action is not my cup of tea. I suspect many other progressives would agree with that and that accounts for the numbers you see.
 
deltabtry said:
since 1972 the year we came off the gold standard our society has been built on a house of cards, wall street and the paper it peddles is worthless today..it's only paper and not hard currency. We will all loose when it's time to pay the piper.
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Sounds like the Piper won't lose.

I'd like to be him.
 
whysoserious said:
The Real Robin Hood




The entire story of Robin Hood was about taking from the rich and giving to the poor - whether government entities or private did not matter. This is what conservatives and their restless defense of all things Capitalism has come to:

Why the Robin Hood Story is the Worst Story Ever Told in the History of Our Generation?


What is this world coming to when Robin Hood, the Price of Thieves who steals from the rich, is being chastised as a negative influence? :doh
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Umm...

He is stealing.

How is teaching kids stealing a good thing?

One rap guy even encourages this attitude in his music, I don't remember the song, or the artist, but I remember the lyric very well because it was unsettling.

"They didn't give it to me so I had to take it."

Thanks a bunch for encouraging robbery.
 
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