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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Yes, true. With the exception of the super rich. The rich you are referring to are the professional class in the US. They are the ones getting ****ed the most. Basically, anyone making between $50,000 and less than a million, give or take. People paying capital gains tax- not so much.
    They still pay it. Warren Buffet triggered the lie about the rich not paying taxes. He doesnt pay much on his salary...he does pay on his investments. And hey...at the end of the day if the argument is simplify tax codes...fine...all good. None of that changes the reality of who pays for what in this country.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    [b]Wow. I thought everyone knew that greedy politicians were the spawn of greedy corporations.


    See the above. In many cases, it makes no difference who you put in office; they are nearly all corrupted by the corporate money required to get elected. Note that now, with so-called liberals in office for nearly 3 years, little or nothing has been done by the gov't to reign in, or tax, Wall Street (who, any rational analysis will show, is the true cause of the Great 2008 Recession and the current crippled state of our economy, in concert with a decade or more of Greenspan-led Federal Reserve hands-off cheap money monetary policy). In short, Wall Street owns DC... not only monetarily but by the preponderance of high level government employees, including Cabinet secretaries, who came directly from Wall Street (revolving door).


    As someone else has already noted, conservatives pull for more corporate greed (a.k.a. deregulated tax-breaked union-busting laissez faire capitalism)... surely that is without dispute. And as everyone (well, most everyone, it seems) knows, the mega-corporations pretty much own the government.

    As to the OP, the stench of propaganda in that poorly-sourced post is strong. Basically not worth a serious comment, but I'd be willing to look at more indepth citations of the claims presented. In that vein, if you go to the link in the OP : Report: Fights erupt among Occupy Wall Street protesters and click on the link in that story to get to the original, actual N.Y. Daily News story, you get:




    Interesting how that worked out....
    Stalin was very greedy. He wasn't elected with corporate money.

    Let's stop pretending that government greed is born out of some corporation.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To recap...The rich pay the vast majority of income tax (with 47% of the people paying precisely zero but draining the country of services). The rich pay significantly more in property taxes. Their property and state taxes pay for the schools and roads. They pay the majority of taxes for medicare/medicaid/disabled social security recipients. They certainly more in sales taxes (just how do you think your state taxes on your cell phone bill, cheetos, video games, and red bull is going to pay for the roads, schools, and every other public service). They create jobs and wealth not only for themselves but for others. The poor (as represented by many on this site and certainly at the OWS protests) excel at two things...self-suckage and whining about the success of others. Instead of this incessant whining about those that succeed...go do a mirror check. Then go examine the role your own family is playing.
    The rich and corporations, pay the bills.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The rich and corporations, pay the bills.
    Who buys their products and who makes them?

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    "New York's police officers are working around the clock as the already overburdened economy in New York is being drained by 'occupiers' who intentionally and maliciously instigate needless and violent confrontations with the police,"
    And yet people still believe in these trouble makers. I say run then off or take the dumb-asses to jail they still don't a thing about the and who the real problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Who buys their products and who makes them?
    Oh...so THAT is the 'theft'. Someone gives you a job or forces you to buy a product.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They still pay it. Warren Buffet triggered the lie about the rich not paying taxes. He doesnt pay much on his salary...he does pay on his investments. And hey...at the end of the day if the argument is simplify tax codes...fine...all good. None of that changes the reality of who pays for what in this country.
    Capital gains is a significantly lower percentage tax than an actual income tax. The super wealthy end up paying a lower percentage of their "income" as taxes. Also, they can afford lawyers and accountants to help them make use of all of the convenient tax loopholes. Hiding their money is also easier. The average person can only hide their money by keeping cash assets in their mattress. Let's see who has the advantage.
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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This astro turf is nothing like the tea party. That those on the right tried co opt it and failed should be clear. This OWS thing was big Sofia/union backed from the start.
    If so, why have they had no media stars leading them (such as the Tea Party had), no mega-financing (like the buses that the Tea Party had), and not even any Porta-Potties (which the Oakland police used as justification to storm their encampment)?

    Your empty, unsubstantiated claim appears to be one of desperation. Or is it propaganda?

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Stalin was very greedy. He wasn't elected with corporate money.

    Let's stop pretending that government greed is born out of some corporation.
    If you wish to present an argument that Stalin was greedy, please feel free. Otherwise your claim is irrelevant as well as unsubstantiated (Stalin, as a totalitarian, likely had a lust for power rather than money).

    The line between government and 'some corporation' has always been razor thin in this country. They are, in most cases, one and the same... but the bottom line is that it takes money to get elected to government (and therefore to control government), and that money does not come from the government. It comes from corporations (and the ultra-rich).

    Anyway, nice deflection from the fact that the basis for the thread -- the original news story -- cannot be found at the original link, making this a thread based upon vapor.
    Last edited by Karl; 10-30-11 at 02:51 PM.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If so, why have they had no media stars leading them (such as the Tea Party had), no mega-financing (like the buses that the Tea Party had), and not even any Porta-Potties (which the Oakland police used as justification to storm their encampment)?

    Your empty, unsubstantiated claim appears to be one of desperation. Or is it propaganda?
    Wrong again.

    There were more reasons than lack of port-a-pottys

    You are intentionally ignoring them to support the protesters.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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