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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I don't think it is. I would not participate in the event as it is constituted and my views are very much left of center and could even be accused of being far left on some of these issues. I support their right to protest and I hope that some of the issues involved get far more attention - but that particular action is not my cup of tea. I suspect many other progressives would agree with that and that accounts for the numbers you see.
    Remember we are talking about NYC. People would not have to live in tents to be part of the protest every day. They could protest then take the train home, take a shower and be ready for the next day.

    As to being left of center or whatever, not sure that really matters. If the real reason for the protest is about crony capitalism, then they have a lot in common with the 2010 tea party folks. If they are really just patsies for the unions or the DNC then it would matter a lot more if you are left of center or not.

    My sense for why the group is so small is that they have not yet sent out a coherent set of concerns so people are shying away until they really know what these folks stand for.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have already done that. remember? You claimed that you were going to show us the eleven Confederate states which held public referendums to secede and even three more border states which did not and you failed miserably to do anything buy show us three.... and even in one of those the state split in two over the results.

    The historical record is definitely NOT your friend. Of course, it helps when you tell the truth about what is in it.
    You still harping on another thread?
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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'll take my chances with greedy corporations instead of greedy politicians. [...]
    Wow. I thought everyone knew that greedy politicians were the spawn of greedy corporations.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Oh, no doubt. That's WHY they are at wallstreet in the first place. Because to protest the real issue, DC, would mean admitting that they themselves put those bastards into office in the first place. Congressmen don't just walk in and say, "Nice office, I think I'll take this job after all..."
    See the above. In many cases, it makes no difference who you put in office; they are nearly all corrupted by the corporate money required to get elected. Note that now, with so-called liberals in office for nearly 3 years, little or nothing has been done by the gov't to reign in, or tax, Wall Street (who, any rational analysis will show, is the true cause of the Great 2008 Recession and the current crippled state of our economy, in concert with a decade or more of Greenspan-led Federal Reserve hands-off cheap money monetary policy). In short, Wall Street owns DC... not only monetarily but by the preponderance of high level government employees, including Cabinet secretaries, who came directly from Wall Street (revolving door).

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst, after his post above View Post
    Prince John was the government. It's not the Conservatives that pull for more government greed.
    As someone else has already noted, conservatives pull for more corporate greed (a.k.a. deregulated tax-breaked union-busting laissez faire capitalism)... surely that is without dispute. And as everyone (well, most everyone, it seems) knows, the mega-corporations pretty much own the government.

    As to the OP, the stench of propaganda in that poorly-sourced post is strong. Basically not worth a serious comment, but I'd be willing to look at more indepth citations of the claims presented. In that vein, if you go to the link in the OP : Report: Fights erupt among Occupy Wall Street protesters and click on the link in that story to get to the original, actual N.Y. Daily News story, you get:




    Interesting how that worked out....

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Isn't it surprising how FEW people have joined OWC. Remember this is NYC with a population of over 8 million and tens of thousands of college kids and hundreds of thousands of poor and unemployed.

    My sense is that if this was a right leaning organization, besides being called kooks the media would have rightly pointed out how small the protest with little traction.
    Were it a right leaning organization, Fox News would be holding 24/7 coverage (supportive) and sending their major on-air talent (Hannity, Cavuto) to host rallies. Mega-buck Republican operatives (such as Dick Armey) would be sending luxury buses, and various right wing PACs would be sending millions of dollars. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin would get on the gig, holding huge rallies of their own (and probably making some $$$ in the process). The protesters would be lauded as patriots by all facets of right wing talk media (Limbaugh, et al).

    Now that's traction....

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    When you watch Robin Hood, what's it like to pull for Prince John?
    Its cute you think this is like Robin Hood. Its pathetic that you equate a bunch of whiny college students to the people that were robbed. Its comical ANYTIME some idiot claims the rich stole from the poor. You just are so dang precious!!!

    So...in your Robin Hood scenario, where are you with the president and democrat cogressmen stuffing their pockets from the bankers and brokers?

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Were it a right leaning organization, Fox News would be holding 24/7 coverage (supportive) and sending their major on-air talent (Hannity, Cavuto) to host rallies. Mega-buck Republican operatives (such as Dick Armey) would be sending luxury buses, and various right wing PACs would be sending millions of dollars. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin would get on the gig, holding huge rallies of their own (and probably making some $$$ in the process). The protesters would be lauded as patriots by all facets of right wing talk media (Limbaugh, et al).


    Now that's traction....


    This astro turf is nothing like the tea party. That those on the right tried co opt it and failed should be clear. This OWS thing was big Sofia/union backed from the start.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yes, by taxing the poor and giving to the rich. How do you not know that? Robin Hood was a dirty, socialist bastard.
    Right...taxing those 47% that...oh yeah...not only dont pay taxes but get free money via the earned income credit (should read LACK of earned income). Of course the reality as to who pays what is totally and forever lost on people that are committed to their lies. As long as the same politicians that recieve the bulk of the donations from the bankers and brokers keep feeding you slogans, you will never be at a loss for words...

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    To recap...The rich pay the vast majority of income tax (with 47% of the people paying precisely zero but draining the country of services). The rich pay significantly more in property taxes. Their property and state taxes pay for the schools and roads. They pay the majority of taxes for medicare/medicaid/disabled social security recipients. They certainly more in sales taxes (just how do you think your state taxes on your cell phone bill, cheetos, video games, and red bull is going to pay for the roads, schools, and every other public service). They create jobs and wealth not only for themselves but for others. The poor (as represented by many on this site and certainly at the OWS protests) excel at two things...self-suckage and whining about the success of others. Instead of this incessant whining about those that succeed...go do a mirror check. Then go examine the role your own family is playing.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's exactly correct. The conservatives pull for more Corporate greed. More for the Corporate in every way and every day. Ignorance personified in the movement by ignoring social responsibilities such as Global Warming, wars for big corporate profit, pollution, etc. Mitigation hurts corporate profits. OWS is intended to promote "fear" on Wall Street by a confrontation with reality.
    Conservatives pull for coportate greed?

    As has been pointed out, Barrack Obama has received more money from Wall Street than all Republican candidates combined.

    And why not? Billions went to solar companies with no chance of success yet Wall Street investors were allowed to pull their money out before the public money, which Obama gave them, was repaid.

    Billions more went to build eco-cars in Finland and a federal program to buy guns for Mexican drug cartels wherein at least one American border guard was killed and up to 300 Mexicans. These "stimulus' programs were little more than a front for giving out tax dollars to Friends of Obama, and nothing more.

    Are you still buying into that global warming hoax, btw?

    You should have invested in those Kool Aid stands next to the OWS protesters. You'd be rich now.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To recap...The rich pay the vast majority of income tax (with 47% of the people paying precisely zero but draining the country of services). The rich pay significantly more in property taxes. Their property and state taxes pay for the schools and roads. They pay the majority of taxes for medicare/medicaid/disabled social security recipients. They certainly more in sales taxes (just how do you think your state taxes on your cell phone bill, cheetos, video games, and red bull is going to pay for the roads, schools, and every other public service). They create jobs and wealth not only for themselves but for others. The poor (as represented by many on this site and certainly at the OWS protests) excel at two things...self-suckage and whining about the success of others. Instead of this incessant whining about those that succeed...go do a mirror check. Then go examine the role your own family is playing.
    Yes, true. With the exception of the super rich. The rich you are referring to are the professional class in the US. They are the ones getting ****ed the most. Basically, anyone making between $50,000 and less than a million, give or take. People paying capital gains tax- not so much.
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