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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That reply makes no sense on any level in advancing any idea of any kind.
    Of course you would say that.

    How about you show us that awesome historical record that is the Libbo's best friend. Can't wait!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's exactly correct. The conservatives pull for more Corporate greed. More for the Corporate in every way and every day. Ignorance personified in the movement by ignoring social responsibilities such as Global Warming, wars for big corporate profit, pollution, etc. Mitigation hurts corporate profits. OWS is intended to promote "fear" on Wall Street by a confrontation with reality.
    since 1972 the year we came off the gold standard our society has been built on a house of cards, wall street and the paper it peddles is worthless today..it's only paper and not hard currency. We will all loose when it's time to pay the piper.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That reply makes no sense on any level in advancing any idea of any kind.
    Margaret Sanger was a Progressive and so was FDR.

    by the way - how are you coming along on those other state referendum votes of the people on secession in the Civil War era?
    I already prove my point. It's time for you to prove me wrong, which I know you can't do, so why not just leave other threads where they are?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, no, it was taxing everyone and giving to the government. You should do some historical research of the time period and learn that the government was trying to make everyone poor. BTW, only the land owners paid taxes in the 12th Century--the time in which Robin Hood legend is set.
    The Real Robin Hood
    Over the course of 700 years, the outlaw from Nottinghamshire who robs from the rich to give to the poor has emerged as one of the most enduring folk heroes in popular culture–and one of the most versatile.
    In 14th-century England, where agrarian discontent had begun to chip away at the feudal system, he appears as an anti-establishment rebel who murders government agents and wealthy landowners.
    The entire story of Robin Hood was about taking from the rich and giving to the poor - whether government entities or private did not matter. This is what conservatives and their restless defense of all things Capitalism has come to:

    Why the Robin Hood Story is the Worst Story Ever Told in the History of Our Generation?
    Money Isn’t Evil

    The very foundation of the Robin Hood argument is that having money means you either didn’t deserve it, or have somehow received it by wronging others. While this certainly might be true in some cases, the truth is that most people earn wealth by making great contributions to society. Wealth is an effect of having given value in some form or another, so demonizing the wealthy is…

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    Stealing is Wrong

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    What is this world coming to when Robin Hood, the Price of Thieves who steals from the rich, is being chastised as a negative influence?

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The Real Robin Hood


    What is this world coming to when Robin Hood, the Price of Thieves who steals from the rich, is being chastised as a negative influence?
    I'd say it's not too surprising that promoting theft may be considered a negative influence.

    You want to compare the land owning class of feudal medieval Europe to anything vaguely successful in democratic, modern day America, you can go ahead, the latter certainly had no bearing on how the legend of Robin Hood came to be.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course you would say that.

    How about you show us that awesome historical record that is the Libbo's best friend. Can't wait!
    I have already done that. remember? You claimed that you were going to show us the eleven Confederate states which held public referendums to secede and even three more border states which did not and you failed miserably to do anything buy show us three.... and even in one of those the state split in two over the results.

    The historical record is definitely NOT your friend. Of course, it helps when you tell the truth about what is in it.
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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Isn't it surprising how FEW people have joined OWC. Remember this is NYC with a population of over 8 million and tens of thousands of college kids and hundreds of thousands of poor and unemployed.

    My sense is that if this was a right leaning organization, besides being called kooks the media would have rightly pointed out how small the protest with little traction.

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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

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    Isn't it surprising how FEW people have joined OWC. Remember this is NYC with a population of over 8 million and tens of thousands of college kids and hundreds of thousands of poor and unemployed.

    My sense is that if this was a right leaning organization, besides being called kooks the media would have rightly pointed out how small the protest with little traction.
    I don't think it is. I would not participate in the event as it is constituted and my views are very much left of center and could even be accused of being far left on some of these issues. I support their right to protest and I hope that some of the issues involved get far more attention - but that particular action is not my cup of tea. I suspect many other progressives would agree with that and that accounts for the numbers you see.
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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    since 1972 the year we came off the gold standard our society has been built on a house of cards, wall street and the paper it peddles is worthless today..it's only paper and not hard currency. We will all loose when it's time to pay the piper.
    Sounds like the Piper won't lose.

    I'd like to be him.
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    Re: Fights erupt among Occupiers

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The Real Robin Hood




    The entire story of Robin Hood was about taking from the rich and giving to the poor - whether government entities or private did not matter. This is what conservatives and their restless defense of all things Capitalism has come to:

    Why the Robin Hood Story is the Worst Story Ever Told in the History of Our Generation?


    What is this world coming to when Robin Hood, the Price of Thieves who steals from the rich, is being chastised as a negative influence?
    Umm...

    He is stealing.

    How is teaching kids stealing a good thing?

    One rap guy even encourages this attitude in his music, I don't remember the song, or the artist, but I remember the lyric very well because it was unsettling.

    "They didn't give it to me so I had to take it."

    Thanks a bunch for encouraging robbery.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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