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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

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    But he had the drive. There are just as many kids in good schools that fail to do anything meaningful with their lives. Just as there are kids in poor schools that will succeed. Point is that success has just as much to do with the individual as it does the surrounding.

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    Yes....but it does have a lot to do with surrounding. It was once freer. A man could work himself up, maybe not real rich but enough to provide for his kids and to give them better opportunities so that they can go further. Hard work, determination, fortitude, grit; it's all still necessary; but it's not as valued as it once was. Who do you know? That's become the important question. If you know the right people, all doors open. If not, well hard work and a great deal of luck are necessary. A great deal of luck. The doors are blocked to secure the doors of others.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

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    On that we can for the most part agree, however OWS is not the way to get there.

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    OWS I feel carries that message. Not the way to get there? They aren't a political movement with a goal. They're an alarm clock. Get the **** up cause **** is going to hell in a handbasket and we need to get on top of it.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    The US is still better than most other places...I'd venture to say all other places. But we used to be better. We used to be a shining city on the hill; a beacon to the world, an example of freedom and liberty in motion. That city is tarnished now, and it occurred under Republocrat rule. We still have a degree of mobility, but even that will be shut down over time if we do not control the government, if we do not do our duty to protect this Republic. Yeah, better than most...but still losing.
    I agree, the only way we're going to compete in the future is provide as much opportunity to as much people as possible. One wasted Steve Jobs due to crappy schools or lack of opportunty has a opportunity cost of billions in possible wealth, thousands of possible jobs, and incalculable brain power.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes, he had drive, but opportunity met drive and that's what created Steve Jobs. Read his bio dude. It's a really good read his whole early life shows how he is an extremely driven individual but had a lot of opportunities at a young age. He grew up in an area where government research and private firms were creating new technology in electronics.

    I agree environment+individual=success. I never said the individual wasn't important.
    Environment does have some to do with it but not always. I am familiar with Jobs career. I live in a household with a 20 year graphic artist, that worked on possibly the first MAC's out there, as well as personally owning three desk tops, two laptops, and a myriad of Apple products throughout the household.

    heh, heh, I've heard of Jobs long before this book.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree, the only way we're going to compete in the future is provide as much opportunity to as much people as possible. One wasted Steve Jobs due to crappy schools or lack of opportunty has a opportunity cost of billions in possible wealth, thousands of possible jobs, and incalculable brain power.
    then we must get our schools cleaned up, and that has to do with making it about the kids again, and not some cash cow that libs love to exploit through union unsustainable contracts that they knew would break the system when they made them.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Environment does have some to do with it but not always. I am familiar with Jobs career. I live in a household with a 20 year graphic artist, that worked on possibly the first MAC's out there, as well as personally owning three desk tops, two laptops, and a myriad of Apple products throughout the household.

    heh, heh, I've heard of Jobs long before this book.

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    I didn't say you weren't. The biography is fantastic though. I highly reccoemend it. It's based on lots of interviews over multiple years. Jobs also gave the writer full control so it's not some fluff piece.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    then we must get our schools cleaned up, and that has to do with making it about the kids again, and not some cash cow that libs love to exploit through union unsustainable contracts that they knew would break the system when they made them.

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    Sure in some cases I agree with you. Of course I grew up in a Conservative state where teachers start at 28k at year. Lets not pretend that either party is batting a 1.000 on education.

    I agree with you though, some of these unions do have too much power and it's not about the kids like it should be.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I didn't say you weren't. The biography is fantastic though. I highly reccoemend it. It's based on lots of interviews over multiple years. Jobs also gave the writer full control so it's not some fluff piece.
    thanks, I'll check it out.


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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure in some cases I agree with you. Of course I grew up in a Conservative state where teachers start at 28k at year. Lets not pretend that either party is batting a 1.000 on education.

    I agree with you though, some of these unions do have too much power and it's not about the kids like it should be.

    Again, I am not sure what the answer is, I am not that smart. But it is good to end for the night on some agreement, and I thank you for that.

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