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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

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    I agree, they are inherently worth less as humans than the rich... as the founders intended.
    That is not what Vance was saying, but if you feel that you need to pull things out of context then I would venture that independent is not what you need as a lean designator....


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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So then how does this answer square with your previous diatribe? Are you saying that anyone can succeed?


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    I can see how what I said is confusing. I mean, America can benefit by limiting those barriers.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I can see how what I said is confusing. I mean, America can benefit by limiting those barriers.

    But what I am getting at is what barriers do you perceive to be in the way? The great thing about this country is that anyone that has a good enough idea, and the drive to see it through can make it happen.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But what I am getting at is what barriers do you perceive to be in the way? The great thing about this country is that anyone that has a good enough idea, and the drive to see it through can make it happen.
    No, they can't. Not "anybody"; some people with a good enough idea and who are lucky enough can make it. Not everyone with a good idea. The system is set up against competition now, that's the corporate capitalist model. It's not free market, it's not competition based. It's who is in bed with the government based. Which is essentially the main complaint of OWS.

    Hard work is part of it, but it is not as large a part as it once was.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they can't. Not "anybody"; some people with a good enough idea and who are lucky enough can make it. Not everyone with a good idea. The system is set up against competition now, that's the corporate capitalist model. It's not free market, it's not competition based. It's who is in bed with the government based. Which is essentially the main complaint of OWS.

    Hard work is part of it, but it is not as large a part as it once was.

    Nonsense. The complaint of the OWS is pure crap! Meant to cover for socialist underpinnings. This country is one of only a few places where exactly what I described can happen. Ask any number of legal immigrants who now live in gated communities in the wealthiest parts of our nation. They still get it, we take it for granted.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But what I am getting at is what barriers do you perceive to be in the way? The great thing about this country is that anyone that has a good enough idea, and the drive to see it through can make it happen.

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    I'll use Steve Jobs as an example because he's fresh in my mind. He mentioned his parents lived in a bad neighborhood and attended a bad school. He threatened to drop out if his parents didn't send him to a different school because he said the school was atrocious (gangs/bad atmosphere). They were poor but moved to a better district by buying a cheap house zoned for a better school. Jobs said if they wouldn't of moved he probably would of dropped out and ended up in jail.


    That's one example of a guy that if he would of been in jail, or dropped out of high school, would of drastically changed America. How many bright young people are in the same situation? His parents on a lower middle income salary could afford college....barely. Nowadays tuition compared to a lower income salary makes it much more difficult for families to send their kids to school.

    Do you think we're better off ensuring people with the talents get the right training? That everything is based on merit not if someone can pay?
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'll use Steve Jobs as an example because he's fresh in my mind. He mentioned his parents lived in a bad neighborhood and attended a bad school. He threatened to drop out if his parents didn't send him to a different school because he said the school was atrocious (gangs/bad atmosphere). They were poor but moved to a better district by buying a cheap house zoned for a better school. Jobs said if they wouldn't of moved he probably would of dropped out and ended up in jail.


    That's one example of a guy that if he would of been in jail, or dropped out of high school, would of drastically changed America. How many bright young people are in the same situation? His parents on a lower middle income salary could afford college....barely. Nowadays tuition compared to a lower income salary makes it much more difficult for families to send their kids to school.

    Do you think we're better off ensuring people with the talents get the right training? That everything is based on merit not if someone can pay?
    But he had the drive. There are just as many kids in good schools that fail to do anything meaningful with their lives. Just as there are kids in poor schools that will succeed. Point is that success has just as much to do with the individual as it does the surrounding.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. The complaint of the OWS is pure crap! Meant to cover for socialist underpinnings. This country is one of only a few places where exactly what I described can happen. Ask any number of legal immigrants who now live in gated communities in the wealthiest parts of our nation. They still get it, we take it for granted.

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    Naw, reality. There's a reason why wealth keeps accumulating in the smallest percentage of population while many others find themselves losing ground. Improper regulation, improper oversight, intense entanglement of State and Corporate interests.

    The US is still better than most other places...I'd venture to say all other places. But we used to be better. We used to be a shining city on the hill; a beacon to the world, an example of freedom and liberty in motion. That city is tarnished now, and it occurred under Republocrat rule. We still have a degree of mobility, but even that will be shut down over time if we do not control the government, if we do not do our duty to protect this Republic. Yeah, better than most...but still losing.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Naw, reality. There's a reason why wealth keeps accumulating in the smallest percentage of population while many others find themselves losing ground. Improper regulation, improper oversight, intense entanglement of State and Corporate interests.

    The US is still better than most other places...I'd venture to say all other places. But we used to be better. We used to be a shining city on the hill; a beacon to the world, an example of freedom and liberty in motion. That city is tarnished now, and it occurred under Republocrat rule. We still have a degree of mobility, but even that will be shut down over time if we do not control the government, if we do not do our duty to protect this Republic. Yeah, better than most...but still losing.

    On that we can for the most part agree, however OWS is not the way to get there.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But he had the drive. There are just as many kids in good schools that fail to do anything meaningful with their lives. Just as there are kids in poor schools that will succeed. Point is that success has just as much to do with the individual as it does the surrounding.

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    Yes, he had drive, but opportunity met drive and that's what created Steve Jobs. Read his bio dude. It's a really good read his whole early life shows how he is an extremely driven individual but had a lot of opportunities at a young age. He grew up in an area where government research and private firms were creating new technology in electronics.

    I agree environment+individual=success. I never said the individual wasn't important.
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