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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What we do want is a just and sustainable society where economic justice is the rule and cheaters are punished instead of rewarded. By now, this should be very very clear to anyone who wants to see what is behind all this.
    The United States is one of the oldest ongoing democracies in the world so there must have been some sort of justice and sustainability going on for that to happen. So what has eroded the society that had sustained itself for over two centuries, despite the many challenges it was forced to meet?

    Wall Street has been there for decades. There have been honest and dishonest people, though mostly honest, for hundreds of years. Why now? What was the tipping point?

    "A just and sustainable society"? What the hell is that? Chicken in every pot? There is no such thing and never has been. All we can do is try to get as close as possible but you can be sure that these inarticulate clowns sleeping in their own waste are not going to show the way. Instead they will be the useful idiots, the dupes who are always on the fringes of any political movement.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance - Philly.com

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    At a cost of $400,000 a week, the cost to the city's residents could quickly run into millions of dollars at a time when the city has already been forced to cut back on some services because of declining revenues. Should these protesters and those in other cities be required to cover the costs to the city, so that its residents, often those most vulnerable and dependent on city services, do not have to face further cutbacks because of Occupy Philadelphia?
    I say we have the "Occupied", everywhere just step down and let the "Occupants" show what they can do.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It seems that many people are confused about OWS because it is structurally very different from the type of top down leader led protests of the past they are familiar with. All of the things in the article are issues that the author and people in the movement are concerned with. Speaking for myself, I very strongly identify with much of what he said.

    This nonsense about envy and anger at others having more money is the requisite right wing fall back position to play ostrich and hide their heads from any real examination of what is wrong. Its comforting to the right to be able to write off all this populist anger as mere jealousy and thus not have to really do anything about it.


    Its not going away. And its not envy. We do not want to break into your sub-zero four foot wide frig and steal all your Beluga caviar. We do not want to break into your eight car heated garage and steal the keys to the Bentley and do figure eights on your fine trimmed manicured lawn. We do not want to steal the floor length mink fur coat and use it for toilet tissue. We do NOT want what you think is so precious and so important.

    What we do want is a just and sustainable society where economic justice is the rule and cheaters are punished instead of rewarded. By now, this should be very very clear to anyone who wants to see what is behind all this.
    The fact is that the only two consistent messages coming for the Occupy movements is that they are against corporate greed, that is, they are opposed to companies trying to make a profit, and they are against wealth inequality, which means that if you are rich, they want some of your money.

    You don't like the word, envy? Fine, then let's say that they resent the fact that some other people have more money than they do. They may claim that they are speaking for 99% of Americans, but of course, that's crap. In America, if 99% of the people want something, they elect legislators and presidents, governors or mayors that make it happen. You may want to believe OWS is out there just to represent your beliefs, but unless you want companies to be all non profits and believe you are entitled to a share of other people's wealth, they don't. In fact, most of the Occupy movements, for all the noise and annoyance they are causing, are still trying to figure out why they are there.

    You say you want is a "just and sustainable society where economic justice is the rule," but who decides what is just and sustainable? You? A mob in the streets that has shown contempt for the law and cannot come up with an actionable agenda for change?

    You claim the Occupy movements will not go away, but of course, they will. Here in Philadelphia, the Occupy people yesterday marched 2 miles through wind and cold and snow to a planned rally at Temple University at which Bill Clinton and two local left wing politicians had promised to speak, but when Occupy got there, they learned that neither Clinton nor the local politicians were going to show up. The politicians claimed the bad weather prevented them from showing up, but traffic was running well and their limousines would have been dry and well heated. What was clear is that liberal and left wing politicians who recently wanted to be identified with this Occupy movement are now trying to distance themselves from it.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sssssssooooo, you think this fraud of a response in letter photo'd and pasted on some message board is written by a conservative? Why is that?

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    Where did I say it written by a conservative? I mentioned the mode of thinking goes hand and hand with Ayn Rand and that turd called Atlas Shrugged.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Where did I say it written by a conservative? I mentioned the mode of thinking goes hand and hand with Ayn Rand and that turd called Atlas Shrugged.
    Good God! Why is it that libs think that they are sooooo clever by trying to use thinly veiled inference as deception? Now at the risk of you magically choosing now to log off, or move to another part of the board, why don't you fully, and clearly explain who it was you were attacking then. Oh, and try and appear like you attempting a genuine answer please....thx.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry Mickey, bad analogy. Fees, and permit hurdles in your mind are only for those that don't promote the message you agree with?

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    No, I don't think that the Tea Party should have paid either. The message doesn't matter. The groups aren't forming a St. Paddy's Parade, they are protesting.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    No, I don't think that the Tea Party should have paid either. The message doesn't matter. The groups aren't forming a St. Paddy's Parade, they are protesting.
    So either charge the Occupy rally equally, or refund the Tea parties that already paid, right?

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This was dropped on the Occupy protestors in Chicago.

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    Such cockiness. There isn't a single Wall Streeter that can do my job. Let their fat asses fall where they may. They think they are going to waltz into 85K jobs in the private sector? They can't even account for themselves.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Such cockiness. There isn't a single Wall Streeter that can do my job. Let their fat asses fall where they may. They think they are going to waltz into 85K jobs in the private sector? They can't even account for themselves.
    Why do you think that? Is your job too hard?

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So either charge the Occupy rally equally, or refund the Tea parties that already paid, right?

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    Refund the Tea Party rallies.
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