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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance - Philly.com

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    At a cost of $400,000 a week, the cost to the city's residents could quickly run into millions of dollars at a time when the city has already been forced to cut back on some services because of declining revenues. Should these protesters and those in other cities be required to cover the costs to the city, so that its residents, often those most vulnerable and dependent on city services, do not have to face further cutbacks because of Occupy Philadelphia?
    they don't care about those residents. they are pissed off that they didn't get their above-average entry job even though they spent four alcohol besotted years pretending to study feminism in chaucer. this isn't a rebellion of the poor - it's a rebellion of suburban kids who were told they would achieve success just by showing up, and have suddenly found out that that isn't true.



    the city of philly should pay for this by raising tuition.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    That's the city's problem. Maybe if they don't want to dish out so much money, they should campaign for economic change instead of towing the status quo.

    What part of "right to freedom of assembly" do you not understand? There is no price tag attached to that. People can gather peacefully wherever they want. Screw the permit system. "Protest zones" are becoming common in most major North American cities. It's the government's way of neutering them of effectiveness.

    Activism is activism, not "activism in a certain part of the city where no one will see it", and certainly not "this activism is costing the city money, so we should charge them a fee."

    Total BS.
    American and European cities are going broke as a result of Unions, "activism', and so on. This simple lack of fiscal understanding is what is undermining the United States today and will determine its ruin over the long term.

    Unfortunately there is too much wide spread ignorance about how economies work, fiscal responsibilities, and so on. What's happening in Europe will soon take over the United States and once that happens no one is quite sure what waits on the other side. But it will not be the America many grew up in, that's certain.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    There is no right to squat on city property. More accurately, the city governments are subsidizing illegal actions from people who seem to have no regard for the welfare of the city's residents.
    American history is rich in such actions. During the Depression we had both the Hoovervilles all over the land and the Bonus Army that came to Washington and lived there.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    These protests are not about liberty or justice; they are about money. The only consistent themes are corporate greed, the pursuit of profits by large companies, and inequality of wealth. Whether you agree with them or think these are just mindless slogans, the fact is these people have expressed no interest in liberty or justice or anyone else's welfare; they are protesting the fact that some other people have more money than they do.
    that sort of viewpoint is hollow and self serving. Please read this article. It destroys completely and utterly the silly charge that these are people who simply envy what others have.

    Wall Street Isn't Winning It's Cheating | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    We're occupied here too
    And why not? May as well occupy towns and cities all over the United States in order to get the desired outcome, whatever that might be.

    It's not a pretty sight watching the country which was once the greatest hope for mankind self-destruct.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that sort of viewpoint is hollow and self serving. Please read this article. It destroys completely and utterly the silly charge that these are people who simply envy what others have.

    Wall Street Isn't Winning It's Cheating | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
    I read the article and saw nothing of the Dodds/Frank Bill or the idea that everyone wants bail-outs. That includes students, those who paid too much for their home, cities and states which promised to much to the electorate by ambitious politicians, the crony capitalism that now permeates the White House and , like private citizens, borrowed beyond their means. Bailouts have been created for an entire generation with more to come, while personal responsibility is actually being ignored or mocked.

    Wall Street is just another example of American greed, but on a grander more noticeable scale. Too many Americans of this generation want something for nothing and are convinced the government, or 'the rich', have the money to pay for it. The truth will hit them hard, and these OWS crowds are just a small indication of the public tantrums to come.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that sort of viewpoint is hollow and self serving. Please read this article. It destroys completely and utterly the silly charge that these are people who simply envy what others have.

    Wall Street Isn't Winning It's Cheating | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
    In fact, the article says next to nothing about what OWS or the other Occupy movements are about. The author, like so many other people who are upset about our current problems, wants to believe that OWS shares his views and concerns, but offers no reasons for anyone else to think so. In fact, the article makes the opposite case. Although he makes some unsubstantiated charges of corruption on Wall Street, 99% of his article is about his anger over government policies, mostly of the Obama administration, while the only consistent message coming from the Occupy movements is anger over "corporate greed" - meaning pursuing profits is a bad thing - and inequality of wealth - meaning that they are pissed that some people have more money than they do.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    American history is rich in such actions. During the Depression we had both the Hoovervilles all over the land and the Bonus Army that came to Washington and lived there.
    Nonetheless, there is no right to squat on city or private property. That is has been tolerated for a time in the past does not change the fact that it is an illegal action. What makes the Occupy movements a more grievous injury to the community is the fact that many of these city governments are struggling to provide vital services to their citizens, who will now have to forgo millions of dollars worth of these services because of the costs generated by the Occupy movement which is still trying to figure out why they are protesting. With their claim of such widespread support and the aggressive fund raising they are engaged in, there doesn't seem to be any decent reason for them not to pay their fair share of the costs to city residents they are generating.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sssssssooooo, you think this fraud of a response in letter photo'd and pasted on some message board is written by a conservative? Why is that?

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    It was dropped by anonymous counter-occupy protestors.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    It was dropped by anonymous counter-occupy protestors.
    If it was anonymous, how do you know who dropped it?

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