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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    In a mostly positive newspaper article about Occupy Philadelphia, entitled "Occupy Philadelphia protesting in peace"

    As relatively well-behaved as the protesters have been, as the movement moves into its fourth week, it has been criticized for its cost to the city, lack of philosophical focus, and for creating an eyesore.
    Police patrol the plaza day and night. Most are officers from Center City precincts assigned during their regular hours, but so far, overtime has cost the city about $500,000.

    Amid the 200 tents pitched around City Hall are signs advocating a flurry of causes: "Corporate Owned Media = Corporate Lies," "Capitalism is failing, socialism is the alternative," "Stop Foreclosures," "No Fracking," and "Ron Paul for President."

    The activists are planning a "march to end the silence" on Saturday to coincide with a visit to the city by former President Bill Clinton. The march will start at 12:30 at City Hall and head to Temple University. Participants will cover their mouths with bandannas printed with the names of corporations that organizers say exert too much influence on politicians.

    To ask what the movement's main issues are is "a loaded question," says Chris Goldstein, a volunteer for Occupy's public-relations working group. A general assembly meets daily to reach consensus on all aspects of the demonstration. "The direction is being defined. No one wants to presuppose what that will be, but it's mainly the issue of bringing awareness about corporate greed and economic inequality."
    Occupy Philadelphia protesting in peace | Philadelphia Inquirer | 10/28/2011

    So Philadelphia residents have to forgo at least $1,250,000 - estimates are increasing - in city services while they try to figure out why they're there? What's wrong with figuring it out on their own dime and them coming to demonstrate?

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am shocked to discover that a government protecting a peoples rights can actually cost money!!!!!

    Who ever would have thunk it?????
    There is no right to squat on city property. More accurately, the city governments are subsidizing illegal actions from people who seem to have no regard for the welfare of the city's residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    There is no right to squat on city property. More accurately, the city governments are subsidizing illegal actions from people who seem to have no regard for the welfare of the city's residents.
    Have you ever seen what city governments truly subsidize? My city is rife with no-bid, 100%+ cost-overrun projects that the city council routinely approves without any hearing, discussion, or comment. (Google baltimore monumental paving) The people protesting the REAL government subsidies of corporate welfare and a gravy train of income for their CEOs have the story straight. It shouldn't be a shock that the defense of liberty and justice has a cost, as they are not the natural order of things.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    This is a case where the phrase "Freedom isn't free" applies. Freedom costs... sometimes it costs money.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Have you ever seen what city governments truly subsidize? My city is rife with no-bid, 100%+ cost-overrun projects that the city council routinely approves without any hearing, discussion, or comment. (Google baltimore monumental paving) The people protesting the REAL government subsidies of corporate welfare and a gravy train of income for their CEOs have the story straight. It shouldn't be a shock that the defense of liberty and justice has a cost, as they are not the natural order of things.
    Then why aren't they protesting government corruption in Baltimore rather than in Philly?

    The fact that these people have no coherent message allows everyone with any sort of beef to get on board, and make expensive asses of themselves.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is a case where the phrase "Freedom isn't free" applies. Freedom costs... sometimes it costs money.
    And these people have a lot of money to spend, do they?

    Or are they expecting the 1% to pick up the tab?

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    So you think if the city is forced to cut money for education, public health centers, close libraries and fire houses that is a victory?
    Sorry, since when do Republicans pretending to be Independents care about education or public health centers? :S
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Have you ever seen what city governments truly subsidize? My city is rife with no-bid, 100%+ cost-overrun projects that the city council routinely approves without any hearing, discussion, or comment. (Google baltimore monumental paving) The people protesting the REAL government subsidies of corporate welfare and a gravy train of income for their CEOs have the story straight. It shouldn't be a shock that the defense of liberty and justice has a cost, as they are not the natural order of things.
    These protests are not about liberty or justice; they are about money. The only consistent themes are corporate greed, the pursuit of profits by large companies, and inequality of wealth. Whether you agree with them or think these are just mindless slogans, the fact is these people have expressed no interest in liberty or justice or anyone else's welfare; they are protesting the fact that some other people have more money than they do.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is a case where the phrase "Freedom isn't free" applies. Freedom costs... sometimes it costs money.
    They freedom they are claiming is to throw public tantrums about things they don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then why aren't they protesting government corruption in Baltimore rather than in Philly?

    The fact that these people have no coherent message allows everyone with any sort of beef to get on board, and make expensive asses of themselves.
    We're occupied here too
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