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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    The First Amendment guarantees the right to peaceable assembly and to petition the government for redress of grievances, but since the Occupy people are not petitioning the government to take any specific action, this is only about the right to peaceable assembly, but if they are illegally occupying public or private property or illegally interfering with traffic or other important functions of the community, the assembly can hardly be called peaceable. There is no right to assemble regardless of what laws you are breaking or what harm you are doing to other people.
    I hope for the sake of freedom and liberty that you never get to set these legal definitions.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Parts of them call for exactly that. All of them call for the end of corporate capitalism, which is the main focus of the OWS movement.
    Personally...I dont think there is any coherence to ANY of the protests. They all want what they want, and most of it is both illogical and infantile. In one of the other threads a man representing himself as the 1% talks to protesters that claim they are ALL FOR capitalism...what they really want is an end to all the influence the banks and markets have on politicians. I GUARANTEE you...every ONE of those people will mindlessly march to the polls and vote democrat, without regard to WHERE all that money from the bankers and markets is going. No different than the '99%' here will vote democrat...completely disregarding that there is a REASON the banks, markets, unions, etc ALL are balls deep in democrat politicians.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Personally...I dont think there is any coherence to ANY of the protests. They all want what they want, and most of it is both illogical and infantile.
    I don't think it's illogical in the least. They hit on a very true point. The corporate capitalist model we have now benefits large corporations through actions of State, is defended by State, laws set up to protect them, and competition diminished through power of government and tax payer dollar. And in so doing, we have shut down economic mobility to a trickle. It's a true statement, they have a point on that regard.

    Now is it "coherent"? Not in terms of solution because, quite honestly, that's not the point of OWS, IMO. From what I see it seems to be a new experiment using social media to call mass protest to demonstrate magnitude of effect. Look at all the people around the US who are pissed off at this. Now because it's a large magnitude showing, you are including several varying groups. Those groups may not agree on the specific solutions; but the all agree on the general problem. And there is a general problem. So the magnitude showing is partly to government to demonstrate just how many people are upset; but it's mainly to the rest of us. It's to serve as an alarm clock. Look around you, see the system we have, look at what we've allowed! To control the Republic, you must pay attention and that is why on that front I want to see way more OWS and other protests. I want people paying attention and participating. It's the only way we can keep this Republic.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    That's the city's problem. Maybe if they don't want to dish out so much money, they should campaign for economic change instead of towing the status quo.
    What has the city done to support the status quo and what can they do to push for the OWS agenda?

    I don't think it's illogical in the least. They hit on a very true point. The corporate capitalist model we have now benefits large corporations through actions of State, is defended by State, laws set up to protect them, and competition diminished through power of government and tax payer dollar. And in so doing, we have shut down economic mobility to a trickle. It's a true statement, they have a point on that regard.
    If this is true and corporations are owned by the people who buy stock and all of our people can buy stock then why shouldn't the government help the corporations? Corporations are more efficient than the government so the return on investment is greater than we get from the government.

    A dollar taken from the corporation returns about $.30 to the public good, after we pay to collect and hand out the money, money left in the corporation pays dividends and hires workers and all of that creates real wealth for our country where taking money from them diminishes the wealth that the liberal horde thinks is bad.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think it's illogical in the least. They hit on a very true point. The corporate capitalist model we have now benefits large corporations through actions of State, is defended by State, laws set up to protect them, and competition diminished through power of government and tax payer dollar. And in so doing, we have shut down economic mobility to a trickle. It's a true statement, they have a point on that regard.

    Now is it "coherent"? Not in terms of solution because, quite honestly, that's not the point of OWS, IMO. From what I see it seems to be a new experiment using social media to call mass protest to demonstrate magnitude of effect. Look at all the people around the US who are pissed off at this. Now because it's a large magnitude showing, you are including several varying groups. Those groups may not agree on the specific solutions; but the all agree on the general problem. And there is a general problem. So the magnitude showing is partly to government to demonstrate just how many people are upset; but it's mainly to the rest of us. It's to serve as an alarm clock. Look around you, see the system we have, look at what we've allowed! To control the Republic, you must pay attention and that is why on that front I want to see way more OWS and other protests. I want people paying attention and participating. It's the only way we can keep this Republic.
    If you are protesting the banks because YOU took out student loans (including that little cash stipend and spent that on video games and alcohol) and gave the money you took out to pay the UNIVERSITIES...what kind of an idiot does that make the protester? If you protest Wall Street because of the influence they have on politicians and then ELECT the very politicians they are paying off, what kind of an idiot does that make the protester? If you are protesting the banks and wall street because governments, industry, and labor have driven the job markets overseas, what kind of an idiot does that make the protester? If you protest a bank because you are too stupid to read the contract you signed or because you foolishly convinced yourself that rolling all of your debt including car and credit card payments so that you could spend 30 years paying them off instead of 3-4 and now cant afford to make said home payment because you went ahead and took out a 120% loan AND a second to make it all work...again...what kind of an idiot does that make the protester?

    Total idiots.

    Oh yes...dood...you are REALLY showing the governments you are upset. Showing them so much you will keep electing the same crop of clowns to keep doing the same thing.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    I don't vote for the Republocrats. I hope that with these demonstrations, with people attempting to pay some attention, that they figure out that the status quo is endorsed by the Republocrats in general and that to change the system you have to stop supporting the status quo.

    At the same accord, I will defend to the fullest the rights of OWS and any other protest movement their total and unobstructed right to assemble and protest.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So those who protested the old wars were fine, civil rights is fine. Protesting the gross mixture of State and Corporate interest, demanding a return to free market capitalism and the end of our corporate capitalism structure....that's no ok? I don't know if assembly and protest should be decided by those hostile to the protest. I'm not certain you get a fair reading of what the protest is about from those folk.
    It's simply not true that the OWS people are pining for the myth of free market capitalism, which is in no way contradicted by the existence of corporations. Their only consistent message is that they are against corporate greed and wealth inequality which are slogans more suggestive of a call for socialism,government control of marketplaces, rather than for any kind of capitalism. In any case, whatever your ouija board may be telling you about OWS, the fact is that as a group they have no announced purpose beyond illegally occupying public or private property.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I hope for the sake of freedom and liberty that you never get to set these legal definitions.
    I see. You believe you have a Constitutional right to harm anyone or any community whenever you become upset.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    I see. You believe you have a Constitutional right to harm anyone or any community whenever you become upset.
    Well you don't seem to believe in intellectually honest argument.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    It's simply not true that the OWS people are pining for the myth of free market capitalism, which is in no way contradicted by the existence of corporations. Their only consistent message is that they are against corporate greed and wealth inequality which are slogans more suggestive of a call for socialism,government control of marketplaces, rather than for any kind of capitalism. In any case, whatever your ouija board may be telling you about OWS, the fact is that as a group they have no announced purpose beyond illegally occupying public or private property.
    This is nothing but political bias and ignorance. If you pay attention you clearly see that the overall problem is the current corporate capitalist model we now find ourselves under facilitated through the gross mixture of State and corporate interest.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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