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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Your inconvenience does not override the rights of the individual.
    We have right to protest for redress of grievances, but what are the Occupy people protesting? Corporate greed and inequality of wealth? These are slogans, not real ideas or demands that can be implemented by the government, so perhaps the Occupy people have no more right to protest than people who are unhappy about the weather. In the 1960's, the anti war people held massive protests demanding the government end the war, and the civil rights people held massive protests demanding that Senate Democrats allow enforceable civil rights legislation pass into law. In the 1960's we had the anti war movement and the civil rights movement, but today, we have only the Occupy Tantrums in various cities.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So long as their movement isn't to make retard comments and arguments like the one you presented here; we're headed in the right direction.
    Do you dispute that there are international organizations behind the scenes...calling the shots? If so, perhaps you should read these links:

    Adbusters Culturejammer Headquarters | Journal of the mental environment

    Adbusters Calls For Occupy Wall Street To Demand G20 Impose 'Robin Hood' Tax

    #OCCUPYWALLSTREET | Adbusters Culturejammer Headquarters

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I actually think protest permits are similar to poll taxes.

    Paying to exercise your rights.

    I don't think anybody should be charged to protest.

    And I wonder what philadelphia is getting for $10,000 a day in police "surveillance".

    Regardless of your personal feelings on what is the law, it is a fact that to hold rallies, or protests in most municipalities a group must file for the necessary permits, and or pay the fees in order to help defray the costs of city services that are provided. It is a fact that these gatherings are skirting the laws in that nature, and as such I think should be fined daily for the cost that they are causing the cities to incur.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    We have right to protest for redress of grievances, but what are the Occupy people protesting? Corporate greed and inequality of wealth? These are slogans, not real ideas or demands that can be implemented by the government, so perhaps the Occupy people have no more right to protest than people who are unhappy about the weather. In the 1960's, the anti war people held massive protests demanding the government end the war, and the civil rights people held massive protests demanding that Senate Democrats allow enforceable civil rights legislation pass into law. In the 1960's we had the anti war movement and the civil rights movement, but today, we have only the Occupy Tantrums in various cities.
    Seems like Buffalo Springfield had a different take;

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    We have right to protest for redress of grievances, but what are the Occupy people protesting? Corporate greed and inequality of wealth? These are slogans, not real ideas or demands that can be implemented by the government, so perhaps the Occupy people have no more right to protest than people who are unhappy about the weather. In the 1960's, the anti war people held massive protests demanding the government end the war, and the civil rights people held massive protests demanding that Senate Democrats allow enforceable civil rights legislation pass into law. In the 1960's we had the anti war movement and the civil rights movement, but today, we have only the Occupy Tantrums in various cities.
    So those who protested the old wars were fine, civil rights is fine. Protesting the gross mixture of State and Corporate interest, demanding a return to free market capitalism and the end of our corporate capitalism structure....that's no ok? I don't know if assembly and protest should be decided by those hostile to the protest. I'm not certain you get a fair reading of what the protest is about from those folk.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    51%-98% still qualifies.

    I read an article in the Dallas Morning News about how the OWS protesters in Dallas are praising local law enforcement Officers for their friendly attitudes and help that they have given to the protesters.
    It only qualifies in the make believe sense that the '99%' actually represent the '99%'. They dont.

    Sounds like the Dallas police, like MOST police are doing a great job. One would think that since the '99%' love those cops so much they would recognize and respect that cops are the law enforcement arm of the decisions handed down by government and would comply with the orders and rules given.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So those who protested the old wars were fine, civil rights is fine. Protesting the gross mixture of State and Corporate interest, demanding a return to free market capitalism and the end of our corporate capitalism structure....that's no ok? I don't know if assembly and protest should be decided by those hostile to the protest. I'm not certain you get a fair reading of what the protest is about from those folk.
    Is that what they are demanding? Because if so, they need to fine tune that message, because it doesn't sound anything like that right now.

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Do you dispute that there are international organizations behind the scenes...calling the shots?
    No, I dispute the intelligence of the argument I had quoted.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is that what they are demanding? Because if so, they need to fine tune that message, because it doesn't sound anything like that right now.

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    Parts of them call for exactly that. All of them call for the end of corporate capitalism, which is the main focus of the OWS movement.
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    Re: Occupy Philadelphia costs city $400,000 in police surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I actually think protest permits are similar to poll taxes.

    Paying to exercise your rights.

    I don't think anybody should be charged to protest.

    And I wonder what philadelphia is getting for $10,000 a day in police "surveillance".
    The First Amendment guarantees the right to peaceable assembly and to petition the government for redress of grievances, but since the Occupy people are not petitioning the government to take any specific action, this is only about the right to peaceable assembly, but if they are illegally occupying public or private property or illegally interfering with traffic or other important functions of the community, the assembly can hardly be called peaceable. There is no right to assemble regardless of what laws you are breaking or what harm you are doing to other people.

    The anti war movement was so called because it opposed the war, the civil rights movement was so called because it supported greater civil rights, so it is reasonable to assume the Occupy movement gave itself that name because it had no other purpose than to illegally occupy public or private property.

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