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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Did a quick refresh and saw this. I'm studying for a test that I have tomorrow, but I felt this needed to be answered.



    Hmmmm... States paying less of the cost for educations.


    Capitalism has its downfalls.


    I guess government grants has its downfalls. The more people who have grants, the more the college can raise tuition. If a business knows its customer has access to money, would they not raise prices? Again, capitalism at its worst.


    Looks like another system that is screwed and rigged for the rich.

    Source: Why Is College So Expensive? : NPR
    An oped from NPR? Really?
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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    sounds like a winning campaign slogan for the republicans. you guys should totally run with that. it will draw in tons* of independents.


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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    An oped from NPR? Really?
    What do you have against NPR?
    NPR has been accused of displaying both liberal bias, as alleged in work such as a UCLA and University of Missouri study of Morning Edition, and conservative bias, including criticism of alleged reliance on conservative think-tanks.[31] NPR has also been accused of bias related to specific topics, including support of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, and coverage of Israel. The NPR ombudsman has described how NPR's coverage of the Israel-Palestinian conflict has been simultaneously criticized as biased by both sides.[32] University of Texas journalism professor and author, Robert Jensen, has criticized NPR for its pro-war stance during coverage of Iraq war protests.[33]
    Oh no, fear the biased on both sides, wtf?, radio show...

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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps we should look at the salaries of all those professors.
    Perhaps you should. If you do, please report back.

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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Did a quick refresh and saw this. I'm studying for a test that I have tomorrow, but I felt this needed to be answered.

    Hmmmm... States paying less of the cost for educations.

    Capitalism has its downfalls.

    I guess government grants has its downfalls. The more people who have grants, the more the college can raise tuition. If a business knows its customer has access to money, would they not raise prices? Again, capitalism at its worst.

    Looks like another system that is screwed and rigged for the rich.

    Source: Why Is College So Expensive? : NPR
    Funny you missed this line: "Baum says one reason tuition never seems to drop is that universities are not getting more efficient the way other industries are. And some conservative governors are pushing administrators to cut waste and make professors more productive."

    Or this one: "Even as sticker prices climb, student aid has gone up dramatically. For students in private schools, says George Washington University's Baum, the aid increases just about cancel out tuition increases of the past five years."


    Note the desire for CONSERVATIVE governers to cut waste and increase productivity. Why did you leave this out????

    GET BACK TO STUDYING!
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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

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    Not everyone has a sugar mama to mooch off of for nine months.
    Mooching living pay check to paycheck and doing little to nothing everyday, real... fun.


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    I like the qualifier that you have compassion right before you prove that that isn't the case. In any event, it's not really about compassion (although that aspect should not be overlooked). It's about the fact that our economy cannot truly start growing again until we do something about debt overhang. Remember that this isn't an ordinary recession, it's a fundamentally different animal because it involved a financial crisis caused by too much debt. And until we resolve that fundamental problem by helping people deleverage, economic growth will continue to be stagnant. Sure, we might get a brief spurt of economic growth followed by another dip into recession here and there, but on the whole the economy will not grow very much until people deleverage some of their debt.
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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone that can't figure out a way to off his student loans isn't going to make in the real world, anyway.
    Not really. If you have a low-paying job and a family, it's difficult to pay them off.

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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I worked my way through college and came out with a BSBA and a MBA and zero debt. I had to work two jobs during the summers and a part time job during the school year. The argument everyone needs to borrow a ton of money to go to schools they can't afford is complete BS. People should attend the schools they or their families can afford. I guess I am very old school since I have always lived within my means.

    Not sure how old you are, and I don't mean to be rude, but don't you realize things have changed? When I enrolled in my school, it was 30,000 a year, of which, I had a 15K scholarship. 2nd year, it was 35K a year. 3rd, it was around 42K a year. By senior year, it was 47K a year. This is NOT including ANYTHING else. I, too, worked a full time job in the summer, fumigating houses, and a part time job during the school year, at the cafeteria. But that didn't come CLOSE to me making 30K a year. Seriously, if I could go out, and get a 40K a year job, part of full time, with NO degree....why would I even bother with the degree?

    On one hand, republicans harp about the value of improving yourself, making yourself more valuable to a prospective employer, and on the other hand, laughing and say, "work harder", when that means to doing so requires debt.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah, it's not your fault, you['re a victim, woes you. I was unemployed for nine months last year into this. I didn't take a single handout, my wife and I lived off her paycheck and made huge cuts in what we were doing till I landed a job, I just got a raise, life is turning around.

    We have common sense, we also realize that life, isn't fair. I have compassion for your situation, it sucks, but crying about it doesn't solve anything, demanding that you get a to steal from others so your life is a little better makes you better then the "criminals" you are complaining about how again?
    I wish people around here would stop assuming. Where have I espoused the idea of stealing? Nowhere. I don't like this obama plan, nor one that would allow a student to pay 10% of income for 20-25 years, and then call it paid back, regardless of how much or how little was actually paid back. If you'd take the time to follow along, maybe you'd realize that all I want, is the ability to negotiate with the company that holds my loan. Which, of course, is hard, because the company that SOLD my loan, on who's terms I MADE such a deal, no longer exists, and so now I deal with a company I did NOT CHOOSE to deal with, but with one forced upon me. Do you see the difference here? I don't want legal force brought upon ANYONE...I just want the holder of my loan to operate in an intelligent manner. And I feel I have the right to ask such, since I have already had to bail out other loan companies when THEY operated poorly. Instead of trying to squeeze water out of a rock, and then throwing the book at people when doing such fails, WORK with the people who owe you money. There be some sort of statute about reasonable efforts to pay. But no, like the housing market, we'd rather toss people out, sit on the house while it rots, and then, give it up for a loss, after taking HUGE losses on the entire venture. There's the loss from lost mortgage payments (the foreclosed owners), loss in property taxes, loss in devaluation of the house (homes with no one living in them and taking care of them go to hell FAST), and then, finally, the loss of chalking it up and giving the house away, lol. That was stupid. All I'm asking is, for them to not be so stupid. It was them being stupid, dishonest, and fraudulent that made all of us have to fork over 800,000,000,000 in the first place. Savvy?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama to Announce Student Loan Relief Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps we should look at the salaries of all those professors.
    Most are part time, and most don't make enough to cover the cost of getting a masters, or doctorate. The ones you want to look at are administrators, and in the case of non state schools, the board memebers, shareholders, etc. As in any other business.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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