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    Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    [QUOTE]A Florida law requiring people seeking welfare benfits to take a drug test has been blocked by a US federal court.

    The judge ruled that the law was unconstitutional and infringes a ban on unreasonable searches and seizures.

    Since the law was introduced in July, nearly 1,600 people have refused to take the test, according to reports.

    Under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families scheme those who pass receive $180 (113) a month, while a family of four receives $364 a month.

    While 32 people have failed the test, some 7,000 have passed since the testing began in mid-July, the Associated Press reports......

    Judge Mary Scriven ruled on a complaint filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on behalf of Luis Lebron, a 35-year-old Navy veteran and single father who applied for the welfare benefits but would not take the drugs test. He applied for benefits while attending university and cares for his four-year-old son and disabled mother./QUOTE]

    BBC News - Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Guess this is finally going to start winding its way toward the SCOTUS.

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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    A Florida law requiring people seeking welfare benfits to take a drug test has been blocked by a US federal court.

    The judge ruled that the law was unconstitutional and infringes a ban on unreasonable searches and seizures.

    Since the law was introduced in July, nearly 1,600 people have refused to take the test, according to reports.

    Under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families scheme those who pass receive $180 (113) a month, while a family of four receives $364 a month.

    While 32 people have failed the test, some 7,000 have passed since the testing began in mid-July, the Associated Press reports......

    Judge Mary Scriven ruled on a complaint filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on behalf of Luis Lebron, a 35-year-old Navy veteran and single father who applied for the welfare benefits but would not take the drugs test. He applied for benefits while attending university and cares for his four-year-old son and disabled mother./QUOTE]

    BBC News - Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Guess this is finally going to start winding its way toward the SCOTUS.
    Funny how if you want to get money from the tax payers by working for it IE a government job it is not unconstitutional for them to require you to pee in a cup.But if you want to get money from the tax payer and not do anything to earn it then its unconstitutional to require you to pee in a cup.
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Funny how if you want to get money from the tax payers by working for it IE a government job it is not unconstitutional for them to require you to pee in a cup.But if you want to get money from the tax payer and not do anything to earn it then its unconstitutional to require you to pee in a cup.
    Or if you're a huge corporation and get a lot of subsidies and/or tax write offs. They don't make you pee for that one either.
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    This whole thing was a ruse to begin with. All it was doing was putting a band aid on a problem that needs surgery. Like the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty/Great Society has failed epically, the only solution to the welfare problem is nixing it entirely.
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or if you're a huge corporation and get a lot of subsidies and/or tax write offs. They don't make you pee for that one either.
    I didn't know a corporation has the ability to urinate.

    BTW - do you have to pee in a cup to take a home mortgage deduction, charitable gift deduction, standardized deductions, etc.? Why should a company have to pee in a cup to take a legal tax deduction? I am just kidding, I get it, you hate capitalism.
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I didn't know a corporation has the ability to urinate.
    Sure the CEO and BoD and Stock Holders do.

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    BTW - do you have to pee in a cup to take a home mortgage deduction, charitable gift deduction, standardized deductions, etc.? Why should a company have to pee in a cup to take a legal tax deduction?
    Should the individual be required to pee in a cup to take a legal aid package?

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    I am just kidding, I get it, you hate capitalism.
    Well that was a stupid and completely worthless statement.
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    The myth that there are a lot of drug addicts on welfare has been debunked. You can do a simple search on DP to see the thread I posted citing a study that proves this.

    Requiring people to get drug testing in order to receive life saving benefits is entrapment because it is forcing them to choose between survival and foregoing their 4th Amendment rights. Given the economic problems and the huge unemployment rate, I find this especially unethical.

    The Federal judge got it right. FA has no business intruding into people's lives this way, especially since the number of incidents involving drug abuse is so small.

    You give the government an inch and they take a mile. No more.

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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or if you're a huge corporation and get a lot of subsidies and/or tax write offs. They don't make you pee for that one either.
    I don't know where you work, but every coporation I've worked for required me to piss in a cup at least once and usually multiple times.
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    [QUOTE=Ikari;1059901547]Sure the CEO and BoD and Stock Holders do. [quote]

    Be an intelligent investor and management will not piss on you.

    Should the individual be required to pee in a cup to take a legal aid package?
    No, legal counsel is provided for in the Constitution....you know, one of those legal rights things.

    Well that was a stupid and completely worthless statement.
    How am I wrong?
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    Re: Florida welfare benefit drug test law blocked

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I didn't know a corporation has the ability to urinate.

    BTW - do you have to pee in a cup to take a home mortgage deduction, charitable gift deduction, standardized deductions, etc.? Why should a company have to pee in a cup to take a legal tax deduction? I am just kidding, I get it, you hate capitalism.
    Try to distinguish between deductions and subsidies, okay?

    How are government subsidies capitalism?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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