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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For how they do it. Stealing and posting confidential material with the goal of hurting the country, posting the names of collaborators and putting them at risk, and trying to blackmail people that acted against them makes them the bad guys in my book.
    The goal was never to hurt America but to reveal the truth of its activities which the government was not revealing to us. They even edited information to make sure that specific names of soldiers and people in vulnerable positions was not divulged.

    Our government has a duty to be telling us these things, but they're not. Wikileaks was the only organization that made transparency in our so-called democracies a priority.

    All the while, we have corporations mining our private information anyway, and using it against us.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For how they do it. Stealing and posting confidential material with the goal of hurting the country, posting the names of collaborators and putting them at risk, and trying to blackmail people that acted against them makes them the bad guys in my book.
    Understood. And I was one that thought the guy who gave up that information should be brought up on charges of treason.

    Just food for thought.... i go back and forth with myself on wikileaks.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Visit the Wikileaks website. They have released information that the Bank of America is using private intel firms to attack the Wikileaks website.

    The media has effectively propagandized Wikileaks to turn many in the public against them, yet there is no talk about how corporations are illegally blocking financial transactions between private individuals (like you or I) to Wikileaks, or how the Bank of America is funding illegal cyber attacks on Wikileaks.

    So I guess two wrongs make a right, huh?

    Remember that Wikileaks itself does not hack anything or challenge security protocols. All of their information is given to them by people who are on the inside, who already have legal access and choose to break the rules in order to have the truth known. Wikileaks is a messenger.

    I hope they survive. The fact that they are under such attack proves that the people attacking them have something to hide. Corrupt governments and corporations will stop at nothing to ensure that their power survives.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    If you have time to watch this, it's a worthwhile documentary on how freedom of the press disappeared in the 80's, and it contains plenty of citations and accredited testimonials:



    "3 Hour Documentary explaining a portion of the information about media censorship, consolidation and propaganda."

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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Amazing, a self proclaimed "Libertarian" with the view that people that blew the cover off of secretive government closing shop because of government pressure on private business to stop dealing with them is a good thing.
    yes, i'm an adult Libertarian... and adult who knows and understands why governments keep information classified,.. an adult who understands the importance of diplomacy...an adult who can see what's going to happen down the road when you go attacking large institutions like government or banks.

    ever heard the saying "mess with the bull, you get the horns"?...well, wikileaks messed with a few bulls, and i'm completely unsurprised by what has transpired.... if you are, well, then you are very naive.

    what does being a Libertarian have to do with any of this?... are libertarians supposed to support wikileaks by virtue of existence?
    hell I don't even support irresponsible and childlike Libertarians.... i'm not gonna support irresponsible and childlike information dumpers.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The goal was never to hurt America but to reveal the truth of its activities which the government was not revealing to us. They even edited information to make sure that specific names of soldiers and people in vulnerable positions was not divulged.

    Our government has a duty to be telling us these things, but they're not. Wikileaks was the only organization that made transparency in our so-called democracies a priority.

    All the while, we have corporations mining our private information anyway, and using it against us.
    I am not buying into the whole we are just a whistleblower thing.

    They edited some names, not all.

    What our government should or should not be doing is irrelevant to WikiLeaks. Some guy from another country without our best interests at stake should not be making the decision of what should and should not be released.

    Corporations mining info is also a bad thing. That does not make WikiLeaks threatening to release private information right.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    Understood. And I was one that thought the guy who gave up that information should be brought up on charges of treason.

    Just food for thought.... i go back and forth with myself on wikileaks.
    The guy who stole the information, I hope he never steps free again. What he did was inexcusable in any way. When I joined the service, and when I got my clearance, giving my word meant something to me. He apparently had no honor.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla
    and adult who knows and understands why governments keep information classified
    Quote Originally Posted by NPR
    Mr. CLARKE: They misuse classification to prevent public examination, congressional examination. They even misuse classification frankly to cover up their own mistakes.
    MARTIN: Is that something you saw?
    Mr. CLARKE: Oh yeah.
    MARTIN: Can you give me a couple examples?
    Mr. CLARKE: Well, no, 'cause it's classified. See, that's the whole problem.
    MARTIN: The data on classification is murky, so it's hard to measure how much it's changed since 9/11. But there is something called the Information Security Oversight Office - a government classification watchdog agency - and according to the office, there's been close to a 25 percent increase in the number of original classification decisions from 2009 to 2010. The agency's 2010 report to the president says, quote, "The large number of original classification actions is of concern, particularly at the Departments of State, Justice, and Army," end quote. Because it's hard to know how many of those bits of information met the standard for classification in the first place.
    Mr. J. WILLIAM LEONARD (Former Director, Information Security Oversight Office): This is a system that's out of control.
    MARTIN: J. William Leonard was the head of the classification oversight agency from 2002 to 2008.
    Mr. LEONARD: You know, there's three million people with a security clearance of some sort in this country. And if they see day in, day out, you know, trivial, meaningless material with these sort of controls on it, then that's the definition of chaos.
    MARTIN: Chaos because if virtually everything is classified, intelligence officials are stuck trying to sort the marginally important information from the truly important information. So that's one way government agencies misuse secrecy - to avoid sharing intelligence with other government agencies the problem identified after 9/11. But in a broader sense, information is classified to keep it from the public.
    You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    what does being a Libertarian have to do with any of this?... are libertarians supposed to support wikileaks by virtue of existence?
    An actual libertarian would oppose the restrictions on freedom that Bank of America and various governments are imposing - namely, preventing individuals from freely trading, in this instance that means providing funding to Wikileaks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    The guy who stole the information, I hope he never steps free again. What he did was inexcusable in any way. When I joined the service, and when I got my clearance, giving my word meant something to me. He apparently had no honor.
    Yes because it's so honorable to cover up mass murder. Give me a god damn break.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I don't understand......why do they need all this financing to release information? What have they released that has actually made a difference? I'd be all for blowing the lid off of things, but I just do not see that happening. To me, wikileaks has been one big dud.
    Seriously, it can't be that expensive to spoof multiple servers so that highly confidential information that can get people fired, arrested, or murdered can be stored on servers thousands of miles away without anyone being able to track down the sender.

    The biggest exposure is that diplomats talk bad about each other in private.
    Yes because, as we all know, video of troops firing on unarmed civilians evacuating wounded reporters and oil companies literally controlling African governments while its kids are swimming in petroleum is nowhere near as significant as some diplomat talking about the Italian president's wild parties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - I'm more disturbed about how a citizen can decide to hack into their private info - could be anyone's.

    You know who else does that kind of stuff: Identity thieves and other dregs of society.
    That is right citizens. Fear your neighbors most of all. Be sure to inform the authorities of any anti-establishment activity in your area because that may mean you are dealing with a terrorist. Remember! We are here to protect you!
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    Re: WikiLeaks Suspends Operations, May Have To Close

    What have they released that has actually made a difference?
    Apparently a ton of stuff you don't know because the mainstream media isn't spoon feeding it to you.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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