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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't speak for you. Merely made a guess.

    So, do you care, or would you prefer a source that says what you want?
    An independent source with the facts will do. Do you have that?

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    An independent source with the facts will do. Do you have that?

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    Some have bene given. You have independent sources, accurate sources. Little more can be given. There are plenty of links for you to follow in order to investigate if you want to know. If you care.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Some have bene given. You have independent sources, accurate sources. Little more can be given. There are plenty of links for you to follow in order to investigate if you want to know. If you care.
    Some are good, others start out with an agenda driven pov....But in the end, it is cases like this that only highlight the problem with public sector unions, and a good start as to why it is that much in our government is corrupt.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Some are good, others start out with an agenda driven pov....But in the end, it is cases like this that only highlight the problem with public sector unions, and a good start as to why it is that much in our government is corrupt.

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    First, you often see agendas where there isn't one, but I keep telling you bias isn't the problem. Goerge Will for example is biased, but he is accurate. The WSJ is often biased, but accurate. Accuracy is what matters. I criticized many of the sources you used not to to bias, but due to poor accuracy.

    And you're going to have to explain that leap to unions. Unions may well be a small problem, but they having nothing to do with Charter schools not doing any better, or most of the factors involved in education. You could close down all uinons and hardly notice a difference in the classroom.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, you often see agendas where there isn't one, but I keep telling you bias isn't the problem. Goerge Will for example is biased, but he is accurate. The WSJ is often biased, but accurate. Accuracy is what matters. I criticized many of the sources you used not to to bias, but due to poor accuracy.

    And you're going to have to explain that leap to unions. Unions may well be a small problem, but they having nothing to do with Charter schools not doing any better, or most of the factors involved in education. You could close down all uinons and hardly notice a difference in the classroom.
    And you will seemingly go to any lengths to dismiss any argument that doesn't comport to your own view on things. Regardless of our diversion talking about Charter schools, or that you gave a cherry picked controversial study that you use to support telling yourself that public schools are just fine, when we know that they are not fine is of no consequence to me. The original post has to do with union hacks gaming the system, now some honest liberals have put on record that they didn't like this, and thought that it was wrong, yet you want to continue to derail, and play your game of obfuscation, and dismissal....It really is pathetic, and should be beneath you.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And you will seemingly go to any lengths to dismiss any argument that doesn't comport to your own view on things. Regardless of our diversion talking about Charter schools, or that you gave a cherry picked controversial study that you use to support telling yourself that public schools are just fine, when we know that they are not fine is of no consequence to me. The original post has to do with union hacks gaming the system, now some honest liberals have put on record that they didn't like this, and thought that it was wrong, yet you want to continue to derail, and play your game of obfuscation, and dismissal....It really is pathetic, and should be beneath you.

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    As pointed out, that which I said you wouldn't likely care about, the study that was cherry picked was the one YOU support. You're the one who makes excessive excuses for anything that doesn't affirm your beliefs. Link after link has been provided, to which you look for something insignificant to try and dismiss it over.

    And when we divert, together, from the original post, you can't be honest and pretend we didn't. Nor can you blame unions for every problem under the sun. That is whay we're left to conclude that it is really teachers and not unions, working people and not unions that is really at the core of the distain. This can be said because the complaint is always about things unions don't have any control over.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, the OP, in post #63, replying to another View Post
    Some are good, others start out with an agenda driven pov....But in the end, it is cases like this that only highlight the problem with public sector unions, and a good start as to why it is that much in our government is corrupt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham, in post #28, replying to another View Post
    The OP didn't generalized or represent this as a union issue around the nation [...]
    Well, I guess we can put that to rest now

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, replying to another View Post
    And you will seemingly go to any lengths to dismiss any argument that doesn't comport to your own view on things. Regardless of our diversion talking about Charter schools, or that you gave a cherry picked controversial study that you use to support telling yourself that public schools are just fine [...]
    Well, speaking of strawmen, just wanted to highlight that as a classic example.

    Bottom line, a rational analysis would be that scholastic issues in general are representative of societal issues in general, such as the breakdown in the family unit over the past several decades. Troubled kids from meager income single-parent homes is hardly a recipe for scholastic success. A re-segregation, which I suspect is the main reason the right are such charter school fans, is hardly the solution to that issue.

    As to hacks, they will always be working the margins; no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    What are the cost differences between the two?



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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    What are the cost differences between the two?
    The two what?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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