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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Unions don't need or recognize any stinking requirements. With a good union the home school teachers might get a gig at one of the public schools for a few days like these punks did and "viola" they get state retirement.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    Unions don't need or recognize any stinking requirements. With a good union the home school teachers might get a gig at one of the public schools for a few days like these punks did and "viola" they get state retirement.
    This is rather pointless. Homeschool is private and unassociated with any of the public school system dynamics. They are not required to get licenses either. They can make their own union, but it would be relatively useless as you aren't competing for jobs or such in a homeschool setting.
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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    If home school teachers were to strike they would be hurting our national level of smartism more than public teachers do when they strike.

    Instead of the kids staying home during a public teacher strike if the home school teachers strike the public schools would have to deal with the kids as the home school teachers marched around the local library.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    If home school teachers were to strike they would be hurting our national level of smartism more than public teachers do when they strike.

    Instead of the kids staying home during a public teacher strike if the home school teachers strike the public schools would have to deal with the kids as the home school teachers marched around the local library.
    Do you have a point?
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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My only objection with Wiki on subjects like this are that anyone can alter the information, which leaves open to agenda what is on there.

    But anecdotally I do know that here in SC, a charter close to the public school with the same demographic boasts a 90% grad rate, and a 75% move on to higher ed, while the public HS in proximity has a 47% grad rate, with only 30% moving on to higher ed.

    Seems on its face when teachers are held to preform rather than relying on tenure to be employed, they teach better.

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    I just heard very similar statistics given about the schools in D.C. on John Stossel's show last night, given by a college student who went to school there.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Study: On average, charter schools do no better than public schools


    Middle-school students who were selected by lottery to attend charter schools performed no better than their peers who lost out in the lottery and attended nearby public schools, according to a study funded by the federal government and released Tuesday.

    This is the first large-scale randomized study to be conducted across multiple states, and it lends some fuel to those who say there is little evidence to back the drive for more charters

    Study: On average, charter schools do no better than public schools - CSMonitor.com

    But for all their support and cultural cachet, the majority of the 5,000 or so charter schools nationwide appear to be no better, and in many cases worse, than local public schools when measured by achievement on standardized tests, according to experts citing years of research.

    Challenges in Replicating Charter School Success - NYTimes.com


    The Cartel maintains that we must not only create more charter schools, but provide vouchers so that children can flee incompetent public schools and attend private schools. There, we are led to believe, teachers will be caring and highly skilled (unlike the lazy dullards in public schools); the schools will have high expectations and test scores will soar; and all children will succeed academically, regardless of their circumstances. The Lottery echoes the main story line of Waiting for “Superman”: it is about children who are desperate to avoid the New York City public schools and eager to win a spot in a shiny new charter school in Harlem.

    For many people, these arguments require a willing suspension of disbelief. Most Americans graduated from public schools, and most went from school to college or the workplace without thinking that their school had limited their life chances. There was a time—which now seems distant—when most people assumed that students’ performance in school was largely determined by their own efforts and by the circumstances and support of their family, not by their teachers. There were good teachers and mediocre teachers, even bad teachers, but in the end, most public schools offered ample opportunity for education to those willing to pursue it. The annual Gallup poll about education shows that Americans are overwhelmingly dissatisfied with the quality of the nation’s schools, but 77 percent of public school parents award their own child’s public school a grade of A or B, the highest level of approval since the question was first asked in 1985.

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    Some fact-checking is in order, and the place to start is with the film’s quiet acknowledgment that only one in five charter schools is able to get the “amazing results” that it celebrates. Nothing more is said about this astonishing statistic. It is drawn from a national study of charter schools by Stanford economist Margaret Raymond (the wife of Hanushek). Known as the CREDO study, it evaluated student progress on math tests in half the nation’s five thousand charter schools and concluded that 17 percent were superior to a matched traditional public school; 37 percent were worse than the public school; and the remaining 46 percent had academic gains no different from that of a similar public school. The proportion of charters that get amazing results is far smaller than 17 percent.Why did Davis Guggenheim pay no attention to the charter schools that are run by incompetent leaders or corporations mainly concerned to make money? Why propound to an unknowing public the myth that charter schools are the answer to our educational woes, when the filmmaker knows that there are twice as many failing charters as there are successful ones? Why not give an honest accounting?

    The Myth of Charter Schools by Diane Ravitch | The New York Review of Books

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Here's a key part from that first link:

    ...according to a study funded by the federal government and released Tuesday.
    They don't have a horse in that race now do they? lol

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Here's a key part from that first link:



    They don't have a horse in that race now do they? lol
    Nope - they do not. If you right wingers are to be believed, you have told us thousands of times how the federal government does NOT educate one child in America and has no schools of its own.
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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's all about the kids though....Right?


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    Wow. Two whole people were found to be corrupt. That must mean.... What exactly?

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