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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the union is supporting this....
    Actually the article indicates that the actions were legal and the union is against anything like this happening again

    A spokesman for the Illinois Federation of Teachers emphasized that the lobbyists' actions were legal and that they made "individual decisions."

    Even so, union President Dan Montgomery said the deal Preckwinkle and Piccioli landed "should never be allowed again." But the union, which provides its employees with a private 401(k)-type plan, is standing by the lobbyists' right to have access to the public pension.

    "They entered TRS under the law and are participating members of TRS. As a TRS employer, the IFT is required to make the payments to TRS," the union said in a statement.
    The teachers union DOES NOT write the laws of the State of Illinois.
    The teachers union DOES NOT determine what is legal and what is illegal.
    The teachers union DOES NOT determine who is eligible and who is not eligible for this pension.
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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no better way to argue against generalizing than to throw out a generalization of your own eh?

    too funny.
    So you generalizing about people who generalize.


    In general we are all guilty.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually the article indicates that the actions were legal and the union is against anything like this happening again



    The teachers union DOES NOT write the laws of the State of Illinois.
    The teachers union DOES NOT determine what is legal and what is illegal.
    The teachers union DOES NOT determine who is eligible and who is not eligible for this pension.
    I missed where the union said is shouldn't happen again... so I retract my criticism of them on this issue.

    i'd rather bash the Illinois government anyways

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you generalizing about people who generalize.


    In general we are all guilty.
    ... wait.. I generalized?

    I'm slow this morning... care to help me out here?

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ... wait.. I generalized?

    I'm slow this morning... care to help me out here?
    I'm generally confused

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm generally confused
    join the club ma man, join the club

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    As a member of a teacher's union, I have mixed feelings about them. They do provide some useful functions, like advocating for good working conditions and providing for work-related legal defenses for teachers... but I hate that my (required) dues pay for campaigns. I can't believe how many Hillary maillers I effectively mailed to myself in the 08 dem primary. I was a registered republican (Ron Paul libertarian insurgent) at the time and couldn't vote for her if I wanted to.

    These two cheats don't have much to do with any of that... they're just greedy swindlers, and that's not a political position, just a character flaw. I hope their pensions get thrown out because of the obvious gaming of the system.
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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And just how does a really extreme, rare and terribly out of the ordinary bad example from two people say anything that is relevant to classroom teachers and the unions who represent them around the nation?
    The OP didn't generalized or represent this as a union issue around the nation --- your comment is a strawman fallacy. It's meant to show how 2 very dispicable people gamed the system due to a loophole left by the State of Illinois. I doubt even you would defend such actions, but I could be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer
    You do know the right likes to generalize when it serves their purpose.
    Good thing that's not happening, but pretending it is happening is what you're attempting to do, for partisan purposes only I would guess.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can always homeschool.
    If the home schoolers unionized could they get in on this state retirement scam?

    Why not?

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    If the home schoolers unionized could they get in on this state retirement scam?

    Why not?
    Of course not. They are not part of the public school system which would be required to get in on the public school teacher retirement.
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