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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

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    Yep, or support more charter schools. I prefer the latter. I am a believer that the socialization that children receive through their school years is important.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Charter schools can be relatively ok depending on the exact school in question. I've seen decent ones and terrible ones.
    speaking in general the graduation, and move on to higher education levels when compared public schools, and charter schools, charters seem to blow away public schools....Am I wrong on this?

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

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    speaking in general the graduation, and move on to higher education levels when compared public schools, and charter schools, charters seem to blow away public schools....Am I wrong on this?

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    I think on the whole they're mostly the same in terms of "performance". I don't know too much as I'm not sure of the stats, but I found this on Wikipedia, so take it for what it is.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think on the whole they're mostly the same in terms of "performance". I don't know too much as I'm not sure of the stats, but I found this on Wikipedia, so take it for what it is.

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    My only objection with Wiki on subjects like this are that anyone can alter the information, which leaves open to agenda what is on there.

    But anecdotally I do know that here in SC, a charter close to the public school with the same demographic boasts a 90% grad rate, and a 75% move on to higher ed, while the public HS in proximity has a 47% grad rate, with only 30% moving on to higher ed.

    Seems on its face when teachers are held to preform rather than relying on tenure to be employed, they teach better.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    And just how does a really extreme, rare and terribly out of the ordinary bad example from two people say anything that is relevant to classroom teachers and the unions who represent them around the nation?
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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And just how does a really extreme, rare and terribly out of the ordinary bad example from two people say anything that is relevant to classroom teachers and the unions who represent them around the nation?
    You do know the right likes to generalize when it serves their purpose.


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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My only objection with Wiki on subjects like this are that anyone can alter the information, which leaves open to agenda what is on there.

    But anecdotally I do know that here in SC, a charter close to the public school with the same demographic boasts a 90% grad rate, and a 75% move on to higher ed, while the public HS in proximity has a 47% grad rate, with only 30% moving on to higher ed.

    Seems on its face when teachers are held to preform rather than relying on tenure to be employed, they teach better.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And just how does a really extreme, rare and terribly out of the ordinary bad example from two people say anything that is relevant to classroom teachers and the unions who represent them around the nation?
    the union is supporting this....

    classroom teachers, as far as i know, probably aren't... they have to actually put in the work to get their pensions and some are probably pretty ticked that these corrupt asshats are gaming the system.

    I don't hold this against the teachers... but i'm not thrilled the unions supports this... not thrilled at all.
    not thrilled with Chicago's corrupt government either... they passed the legislation that made it possible for union lobbyists to pull this shenanigan.

    hmm.. union lobbyists.. favorable legislation...I wonder how the OWS would feel about this?

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You do know the right likes to generalize when it serves their purpose.
    no better way to argue against generalizing than to throw out a generalization of your own eh?

    too funny.

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    Re: 2 teachers union lobbyists teach for a day to qualify for hefty pensions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My only objection with Wiki on subjects like this are that anyone can alter the information, which leaves open to agenda what is on there.

    But anecdotally I do know that here in SC, a charter close to the public school with the same demographic boasts a 90% grad rate, and a 75% move on to higher ed, while the public HS in proximity has a 47% grad rate, with only 30% moving on to higher ed.

    Seems on its face when teachers are held to preform rather than relying on tenure to be employed, they teach better.

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    You can find a lot on it if you look. I've posted a lot myself showing they are no better overall, and considerably worse in some areas. And yes, some are better ins some areas. But remeber, they can be selective, like a private school, so they should be much better. They're not.

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