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ADL: Stop anti-Semitic calls during Occupy Wall Street rallies

Khayembii Communique said:
I have said nothing of the end of history, only the end of capitalism, and as Zizek rightly pointed out, if you think things are going to continue as they have then you're the dreamer and the one that needs to wake up.
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And the end of capitalism is to be replaced by what? Any ideas?
 
rocket88 said:
It's the ultra-right trying to do to OWS what the ultra-left did with the TP and racism.





That bothers me that criticizing the government of Israel is "anti-semitic." Not all Jews or even all Israelis agree with the government. Like here. People are complex and have other views. Are Israelis that don't agree with their government's actions "anti-semitic?" Of course not, that's completely ridiculous.
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My friend's grandfather opposed the creation of Israel, and they are Jewish. I think his grandfather was a Holocaust survivor too, but I am not sure about that.
 
You've been in Wisconsin since 2006? Wonderful!

But back to the topic at hand. What do you believe will replace capitalism?
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Are you really this dense or are you trying to be a smartass?
 
toomuchtime_ said:
So you're suggesting a conspiracy among people who work on Wall Street to hire secret agents to pretend to be anti semitic OWS protesters? Why would they bother?
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All y'all are hatin on OWS because of it. So it definitely would have worked.

And considering the number of out of work actors in NY.......

And the number of people on Wall St who "earn" tens of thousands of dollars an hour.....

Seems like chump change would get you an excellent return in negative press.
 
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What if...? said:
All y'all are hatin on OWS because of it. So it definitely would have worked.

And considering the number of out of work actors in NY.......

And the number of people on Wall St who "earn" tens of thousands of dollars an hour.....

Seems like chump change would get you an excellent return in negative press.
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Perhaps you haven't noticed but while some politicians are upset about OWS and while the needy in New York and other cities are losing city services because of the costs they are generating, no one on Wall Street has taken any notice of them.

You do raise an interesting point. Perhaps those posing as protesters are mostly out of work actors. It would explain why they can't decide why they're there - they forgot to recruit some out of work writers to tell them what to say.
 
During and leading up to WW2 many in the Jewish communities found the notion of setting up a state in Israel insane.

There was a huge debate in the community as what would be best-get as many Jews out of Germany to other Euro countries or to Israel.

History being what it is unfolded in such a way that by war's end no one in Europe or Canada wanted Jews and the shipping of Jews out to their death occurred in so many countries it was then evident the only place to go was Israel.

Zionism started as a reaction to never ending semitism in Europe. It morphed into an existential statement of survival because of the holocaust.

Had their been no holocaust its hard to ssy whether Zionism would have had the impetus to lead to what it did. People with no where to go and nothing to lose as Jews were in Palestine it stands to reason would have much to live for realizing there was no other alternative.

My point though is it would not be unusual for Jews to not have been Zionists prior to the creation of Israel.

Quite frankly I think if I had been a German Jew and someone said go to Palestine I would have thought they were nuts. I would have said, oh no Hitler is just maybe misunderstood-maybe I would ave dug my head in the sand and tried to rationalize it and placate my tormentors. I can't say. So its hard to say whether I would have gone into denial like some Jews and sat paralyzed until shipped out to a camp, fled to another country or gone to Israel.

I would like to think I would have joined the underground partisans. However its easy to say one would be brave.

I am not stupid enough to say that. I can tell you I know brave people. I would not claim to be one. I know ordinary men and women who did extra ordinary things. I know some soldiers too like that. To me they are people I respect and I doubt I could fill half their shoes.

History including Jewish history is full of different opinions. None of us regardless of who we are see things uniformly or exactly the same. How we react in certain situations we just can not say until it happens.

So I use all these history lessons to remember the people...the ordinary people who when the time called, acted unselfishly for others. That is what I dwell on in history.

As for the current protests I share one poster's frustration that much of the demonstrations are unfocused, and childish. However I do think ANY sign of caring that things are not right is a starting point-its a start. At least people care. At least people are acknowledging their pain.

I say take the pain now and turn it into constructive dialogue and suggestions.

Hopefully it can start that process.

Before we can swim we first have to wade into the water. So if people are thrashing about in the shallow end, or need floats, fine. In due time they can learn to swim.
 
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toomuchtime_ said:
Perhaps you haven't noticed but while some politicians are upset about OWS and while the needy in New York and other cities are losing city services because of the costs they are generating, no one on Wall Street has taken any notice of them.

You do raise an interesting point. Perhaps those posing as protesters are mostly out of work actors. It would explain why they can't decide why they're there - they forgot to recruit some out of work writers to tell them what to say.
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I frankly don't see a positive cost/benefit relationship in paying actual protesters.

You only need a couple of people to throw rocks or carry outrageous signs to cast the protest in a negative light.

Simple swelling of numbers just isn't cost effective.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Are you really this dense or are you trying to be a smartass?
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You say you've been where you are since 2006 and must assume then that you're referring to these boards, if not Wisconsin. I have been on this debate board since 2010.

Perhaps you mentioned what will replace capitalism in the United States some time during the years between 2006 and 2010.

I would be ever so grateful if you would give your prediction now, just to clarify your position. That way, when your prediction is fulfilled, there will be congrats all 'round.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
So you're suggesting a conspiracy among people who work on Wall Street to hire secret agents to pretend to be anti semitic OWS protesters? Why would they bother?
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You mean, why would they conspire to employ agent provocateur tactics in an attempt to implode the OWS movement?


Oh, I don't know...

...maybe for some of the same reasons as they conspired to have Brooksley Born removed from the CFTC, conspired to have Glass-Steagall repealed, conspired in the underwriting of NINJA loans, conspired in the creation of a gozillion dollars worth of MBS's and CPO's...

...wait, are you seriously asking me "Why would they bother?"

BECAUSE THEY ARE PATHOLOGICALLY GREEDY, SELF-ABSORBED, PARANOID, AND ADDICTED TO MONEY AND POWER. HOW'S THAT FOR A REASON?

BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE AFRAID THAT IF THIS OWS MOVEMENT GETS TOO OUT OF HAND THAT THE ANGRY MOBS MIGHT SOON BE ROLLING OUT THE GUILLOTINE FOR THEM. HOW'S THAT FOR A REASON?



"Why would they bother?" What are you, kidding me?
 
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Sig said:
You mean, why would they conspire to employ agent provocateur tactics in an attempt to implode the OWS movement?


Oh, I don't know...

...maybe for some of the same reasons as they conspired to have Brooksley Born removed from the CFTC, conspired to have Glass-Steagall repealed, conspired in the underwriting of NINJA loans, conspired in the creation of a gozillion dollars worth of MBS's and CPO's...

...wait, are you seriously asking me "Why would they bother?"

BECAUSE THEY ARE PATHOLOGICALLY GREEDY, SELF-ABSORBED, PARANOID, AND ADDICTED TO MONEY AND POWER. HOW'S THAT FOR A REASON?

BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE AFRAID THAT IF THIS OWS MOVEMENT GETS TOO OUT OF HAND THAT THE ANGRY MOBS MIGHT SOON BE ROLLING OUT THE GUILLOTINE FOR THEM. HOW'S THAT FOR A REASON?



"Why would they bother?" What are you, kidding me?
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I don't see anything strange about the OWS group. They look and sound like typical Leftists.
 
Sig said:
You mean, why would they conspire to employ agent provocateur tactics in an attempt to implode the OWS movement?


Oh, I don't know...

...maybe for some of the same reasons as they conspired to have Brooksley Born removed from the CFTC, conspired to have Glass-Steagall repealed, conspired in the underwriting of NINJA loans, conspired in the creation of a gozillion dollars worth of MBS's and CPO's...

...wait, are you seriously asking me "Why would they bother?"

BECAUSE THEY ARE PATHOLOGICALLY GREEDY, SELF-ABSORBED, PARANOID, AND ADDICTED TO MONEY AND POWER. HOW'S THAT FOR A REASON?

BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE AFRAID THAT IF THIS OWS MOVEMENT GETS TOO OUT OF HAND THAT THE ANGRY MOBS MIGHT SOON BE ROLLING OUT THE GUILLOTINE FOR THEM. HOW'S THAT FOR A REASON?



"Why would they bother?" What are you, kidding me?
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That's absurd. They wouldn't bother because OWS, despite the idiotic statements of politicians on both sides, was clearly going nowhere from the start, and now it's already over. The only strength OWS ever had was its ability to get media coverage, but now the only coverage they get is when they provoke confrontations with the police, and no one is any longer interested in why they are there. So the question is why would Wall Street bother to do anything about OWS since it never posed any threat to it?
 
From the OP:

ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman issued a statement, saying: "We are seeing some individuals holding anti-Semitic signs ... expressing classic anti-Semitic beliefs such as 'Jews control the banks' and 'Jews control Wall Street'
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Yet here we have Bill Handel, a Jewish LA area talk show host discussing the protests. He said he was not angry. ”This is my tribe who control Wall St. Why would I be upset?”

http://21pronto.com/handel_on_the_news.mp3 (from around 24:40)

Let's see if there are any campaigns to get him off the air.

Likewise with this journalist:

"As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood ... I appreciate Foxman's concerns. And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."

Who runs Hollywood? C'mon - Los Angeles Times
 
Grant said:
I don't see anything strange about the OWS group. They look and sound like typical Leftists.
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Then you are ignorant, delusional or both.

shanners said:
Yet here we have Bill Handel, a Jewish LA area talk show host discussing the protests. He said he was not angry. ”This is my tribe who control Wall St. Why would I be upset?”

http://21pronto.com/handel_on_the_news.mp3 (from around 24:40)

Let's see if there are any campaigns to get him off the air.

Likewise with this journalist:

"As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood ... I appreciate Foxman's concerns. And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."

Who runs Hollywood? C'mon - Los Angeles Times
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Go back to the Conspiracy Theory forum, but you'll hopefully be banned soon anyways.
 
Never mind
 
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toomuchtime_ said:
That's absurd. They wouldn't bother because OWS, despite the idiotic statements of politicians on both sides, was clearly going nowhere from the start, and now it's already over. The only strength OWS ever had was its ability to get media coverage, but now the only coverage they get is when they provoke confrontations with the police, and no one is any longer interested in why they are there. So the question is why would Wall Street bother to do anything about OWS since it never posed any threat to it?
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What is absurd is your highly distorted perception of reality. What in the world are you talking about?

OWS, regardless of anything else that might be said about it, is the most intense and ubiquitous grass roots movement since the anti-war movement of the 60's and 70's. Frankly, I am astonished that it has spread to every major city in the nation, so quickly and with such staying power.

Wall Street has an existential interest in subverting OWS before it becomes better organized, better focused, and dangerously more popular with Main Street.
 
Sig said:
What is absurd is your highly distorted perception of reality. What in the world are you talking about?

OWS, regardless of anything else that might be said about it, is the most intense and ubiquitous grass roots movement since the anti-war movement of the 60's and 70's. Frankly, I am astonished that it has spread to every major city in the nation, so quickly and with such staying power.

Wall Street has an existential interest in subverting OWS before it becomes better organized, better focused, and dangerously more popular with Main Street.
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Nonsense. OWS is a threat to no one other than the people who live in the cities it infests. The media no longer pays any attention to it unless it is causing problems for the residents of these cities, Wall Street has never paid any attention to it and now even politicians who once sought to capitalize on it keep their distance. It is a temper tantrum, nothing more. It will provoke more confrontations with the police in order to get some media coverage and then it will fade away.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
Nonsense. OWS is a threat to no one other than the people who live in the cities it infests. The media no longer pays any attention to it unless it is causing problems for the residents of these cities, Wall Street has never paid any attention to it and now even politicians who once sought to capitalize on it keep their distance. It is a temper tantrum, nothing more. It will provoke more confrontations with the police in order to get some media coverage and then it will fade away.
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OWS certainly seems to have captured your attention.

Sort of ironic that you keep insisting on its insignificance. Wouldn't you agree?
 
Sig said:
OWS certainly seems to have captured your attention.

Sort of ironic that you keep insisting on its insignificance. Wouldn't you agree?
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It's not ironic at all, and I haven't claimed it was insignificant. It is costing already impoverished cities millions and millions of dollars.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
It's not ironic at all, and I haven't claimed it was insignificant. It is costing already impoverished cities millions and millions of dollars.
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So, in other words, Wall Street does have cause for concern?

You need to make up your mind.
 
Sig said:
So, in other words, Wall Street does have cause for concern?

You need to make up your mind.
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You need to polish up your reading skills. The people of New York are being hurt by the cost of OWS to the city but Wall Street remains untouched by OWS antics.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
You need to polish up your reading skills. The people of New York are being hurt by the cost of OWS to the city but Wall Street remains untouched by OWS antics.
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Do you show equal distaste for the creation of magical money that waters down the 99% of average americans work money? That seems scarier to me.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
You need to polish up your reading skills. The people of New York are being hurt by the cost of OWS to the city but Wall Street remains untouched by OWS antics.
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You need to polish up on your logic skills.

The "people of New York," by definition, includes the people of Wall Street because Wall Street is where?...

C'mon... I know you know the answer... Don't be shy....
 
Sig said:
You need to polish up on your logic skills.

The "people of New York," by definition, includes the people of Wall Street because Wall Street is where?...

C'mon... I know you know the answer... Don't be shy....
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Again, you need to get to work on those reading skills. Wall Street refers to the institutions there, not to the people who work there. I'm sure many of the people who work there, especially those with low paying jobs, are being greatly inconvenienced by the mindless strutting and chest thumping of the squatters, but the institutions on Wall Street have been untouched by OWS, as have the executives. OWS is only hurting the little guy.
 
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