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Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

Tashah said:
Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq - CNN.com


In a short speech delivered minutes ago, President Obama said our remaining forces in Iraq will be home for the coming holidays :)
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As per the treaty signed by President... wait for it, wait for it.... BUSH!!


Yes sir folks, this is what W. was doing when he got that shoe thrown at him. Outlining our withdrawal TIMELINE. Jan. 31, 2011.

God Forbid Obama stick to it.

God Forbid FOX NEWS report it correctly.

God Forbid the far righties on DP have all the facts.
 
My only fear is how fast they are withdrawing. Logistically, it is a nightmare. If the troops are going to be home for the holidays, that is a lot of equipment to pull out of the region before Christmas. It took over a year just to get everything over there.

I am glad they are coming home. It was a long mission.
 
hazlnut said:
As per the treaty signed by President... wait for it, wait for it.... BUSH!!


Yes sir folks, this is what W. was doing when he got that shoe thrown at him. Outlining our withdrawal TIMELINE. Jan. 31, 2011.

God Forbid Obama stick to it.

God Forbid FOX NEWS report it correctly.

God Forbid the far righties on DP have all the facts.
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Indeed...

Similarly, god forbid CNN acknowledge that Obama is following a timetable laid out by Bush.

God Forbid liberals give Bush acknowledgement in their congratulations of Obama in bringing troops home.

That knife cuts both ways. Its obnoxious. Good on Obama with getting our guys home and good on Bush for getting this time table set up. I'm glad Obama decided to stick with that time table, along with working with the generals, rather than attempting to rush it as it seemed he would possibly due based on his election season rhetoric.

But really, if you're going to get pissy about the Bush factor in this at least acknolwedge that both sides are pretty happy to black that fact out when it suits them.
 
Zyphlin said:
Indeed...

Similarly, god forbid CNN acknowledge that Obama is following a timetable laid out by Bush.

God Forbid liberals give Bush acknowledgement in their congratulations of Obama in bringing troops home.
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I agree 100%.

But do you have evidence that CNN has NEVER acknowledged that fact?

They are pretty milk toast and hardly in same category as MSNBC.
 
Zyphlin said:
Indeed...

Similarly, god forbid CNN acknowledge that Obama is following a timetable laid out by Bush.

God Forbid liberals give Bush acknowledgement in their congratulations of Obama in bringing troops home.

That knife cuts both ways. Its obnoxious. Good on Obama with getting our guys home and good on Bush for getting this time table set up. I'm glad Obama decided to stick with that time table, along with working with the generals, rather than attempting to rush it as it seemed he would possibly due based on his election season rhetoric.

But really, if you're going to get pissy about the Bush factor in this at least acknolwedge that both sides are pretty happy to black that fact out when it suits them.
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Why, in God's name, would ANYONE "congratulate" the man who CREATED this horrible mess that Obama had to clean up. Isn't that like "congratulating" your dog when you finally scrub that pee stain out of the carpet?
 
hazlnut said:
As per the treaty signed by President... wait for it, wait for it.... BUSH!!


Yes sir folks, this is what W. was doing when he got that shoe thrown at him. Outlining our withdrawal TIMELINE. Jan. 31, 2011.

God Forbid Obama stick to it.

God Forbid FOX NEWS report it correctly.

God Forbid the far righties on DP have all the facts.
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Jon Stewart Mocks GOP Over Blaming Obama For Bush’s Iraq Withdrawal Agreement

After airing clips of Graham and McCain criticizing the White House for “fumbling the ball inside the 10-yard line” and calling the withdrawal a “clear victory for Iran,” Stewart likened their criticism to the captain of the Exxon Valdez standing around Alaska going “You’re scrubbing the oil off those birds all wrong.”

Jon Stewart Mocks GOP Over Blaming Obama For Bush’s Iraq Withdrawal Agreement | Mediaite
 
Blue_State said:
My only fear is how fast they are withdrawing. Logistically, it is a nightmare. If the troops are going to be home for the holidays, that is a lot of equipment to pull out of the region before Christmas. It took over a year just to get everything over there.

I am glad they are coming home. It was a long mission.
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alot of equipment is going to be left behind
 
Even though we said we were getting out, it is important for our leaders to re-evaluate the decision to stay or go as new information and situations present themselves. It is great that Bush set a timetable. Current information is that Iraq will not protect our troops from their courts if they break an Iraqi law. Obama made the choice to honor our agreement to leave on the Bush timeline. Give Obama credit, he is getting the troops out. Bush gets credit too, but overall credit goes to Obama if the troops come home. Words vs. Action for me. The words were, "They are coming home." Obama's words are, "They will be home for Christmas." Let's see what the action is now.
 
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hazlnut said:
I agree 100%.

But do you have evidence that CNN has NEVER acknowledged that fact?
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Well of course not. YOu have evidence that Fox has NEVER suggested the time table is one Bush created?

I was just commenting on this particular story, which with a quick find function didn't turn up any mention of Bush in it.

They are pretty milk toast and hardly in same category as MSNBC.
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I agree
 
Blue_State said:
Even though we said we were getting out, it is important for our leaders to re-evaluate the decision to stay or go as new information and situations present themselves. It is great that Bush set a timetable. Current information is that Iraq will not protect our troops from their courts if they break an Iraqi law. Obama made the choice to honor our agreement to leave on the Bush timeline. Give Obama credit, he is getting the troops out. Bush gets credit too, but overall credit goes to Obama if the troops come home. Words vs. Action for me. The words were, "They are coming home." Obama's words are, "They will be home for Christmass." Let's see what the action is now.
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well, since bush SIGNED AN AGREEMENT to bring them home by Dec 31, 2011.........i don't think anybody can fault obama.
 
liblady said:
well, since bush SIGNED AN AGREEMENT to bring them home by Dec 31, 2011.........i don't think anybody can fault obama.
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Are you saying that you will give Bush credit for bringing the troops home before 2012?
 
Thunder said:
Dislike.

I want us to keep several thousand troops in Iraq or next door in Kuwait, incase we are needed to take on Al Qaeda or other trouble-makers.
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You're pushing for an indefinite Iraqi/Middle-Eastern occupation...sorry, bub...not gonna happen.
 
Grant said:
It's certainly good news for Iran. The Islamic allies are starting to make their move,

Turkey, Iran to Cooperate Against Kurdish Rebels | Europe | English
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That's Iraqi's problem now. I see no reason why our troops should stay if they're no longer welcome. Bring our men and women in uniform home; let Iraq deal with it's own problems since they're become so adament about self-governance. After all, isn't that why we went there in the first place...to spread democracy? Seems to me that by leaving that's exactly what we'd be doing for Iraq...allowing them to shape their own form of democracy for themselves.
 
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Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
I'm dabbing at tears of joy. Now I'm gonna get busy praying for the soldiers in Afghanistan to be able to come home as well. That is a different situation in my opinion. Both the Taliban and Al Qaeda are still operating in that country and parts of Pakistan. Those two groups are responsible for killing thousands of Americans in New York and Washington, DC, and we need to eradicate that threat to our security before we leave.
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You bring up good points, but there are aspects to the war in Afghanistan I think most people still don't quite understand. Based on my readings, I'd say you're close to getting it. I would suggest you read the book, "Obama's Wars" by Bob Woodward to get the full jest of the AfPak/Taliban/Al Quada situation.
 
apdst said:
Only Obama would remove forces from Iraq, to ready them for operations in Iran. He's just that brilliant.
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Clearly, you're not comprehending why our combat forces are leaving...has nothing to do with the President removing troops from one theater of operations to make preps for another neighboring combat zone. It has everything to do with protecting our troops from coming under legalism of another country. Think about it...

You guys keep talking about being so against Americans coming under Sharia Law yet you completely ignore the fact that the Iraqi government does not want to grant amnesty to any U.S. servicemen. Why should the Command in Chief retain military personnel in a country that will not allow our military to bring its own people to trail or be extradited to their home country?

I swear...sometimes folks just don't think!!!
 
jamesrage said:
I think its a bad idea announcing a pull out date. The insurgents in Iraq are not stupid,except for maybe the suicide bombers. Logic would tell them to amass their forces and wait until sometime after the US left.
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If the insurgents did that, they know we'd never leave. So, what would be the point in them taking such action? I could see them continuing with their suicide raids until we leave, but holting and then ramping things up as our departure dates draws near would be foolishness on their part. We'd only retaliate and be in Iraq longer; defeats their ultimate goal of having us leave.
 
samsmart said:
Well, as has been pointed out, the troop withdrawal is not strictly because of domestic political purposes. They are being withdrawn because Iraq refuses to continue immunity from prosecution for war crimes for U.S. soldiers.

But let's say that wasn't a factor. It is silly to say that foreign policy and domestic policy exist in a vacuum from each other. If our domestic well-being has suffered from the current recession that does not mean our foreign policy goes unaffected. After all, if we can pay for the basics of our domestic policies, such as education and transportation infrastructure, it is insane to suggest that we can continue to pay for a war like we did before the recession.
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BINGO! You, sir, win the prize!

Finally, somebody gets what's really going on with pulling our troops out of Iraq. We will eventually withdraw from Afghanistan for similar reasons.
 
Grant said:
That's just a ridiculous excuse. All Americans everywhere are subject to local laws and have never had diplomatic immunity.
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Not entirely true...

Most foreign countries will turn over U.S. servicemen who violate laws on foreign soil if they can be assured that the servicemember will receive a conviction similar to their laws. For example, while I was on active duty several years ago my ship had a port visit in Okinawa, Japan. A sailor onboard one of the ships in my task force was accused of raping a Japanesse girl. It took days of negotiations, but the Japanesse government eventually released the Sailor to U.S. custody under the condition that he receive the maximum punishment.

The sailor received 5 years at Ft. Levinworth and a Dishonorable discharge.
 
Antiderivative said:
I think when you say embassy, you mean a compound which is a more accurate description of that building over in Baghdad. Do you really think that using hired mercenaries was something that Bush wouldn't resort to? Bush set up this plan and Obama followed through.

Thank goodness for the vision of Bush because then Obama wouldn't have a blueprint to follow.
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It's funny...

You guys want the President to stop claiming he inherited a mess from his predicessor, but you refuse to give the man credit for either following through on what his predecessor left either undone or inadequate. The truth of the matter is an incoming President always acts on the building blocks (or mistakes) made by his predecessor. The hope is that he either improves upon the initiatives left behind or he throws the bad out and brings forward something new.

I have no problem with President Obama carrying forward and strengthening as best he can the work GW Bush left undone and in Iraq.
 
deltabtry said:
Obama didn't kill OBL, Navy seal team 6 did, yet they do not celebrate it perhaps a lesson we all can use.
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Well, in that case, GWB didn't kill Saddam Hussein. Members from the U.S. Army did.

What's your point again? Oh...I see...NOTHIN'! But...

If we're tallying body counts under each President...

Obama = 3

GWB = 1

:2razz:
 
deltabtry said:
Yep just like Iraq, it is clearly evident where each political side stands when is comes to killing, success and of course failure, and we ask ourselves why are we so bitterly divided.
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We're divided because it's all about one-ups'manship...each side has to discredit the other instead of working together to accomplish big things.

Sad really...

I mean, anyone with a brain knows that the President of the United States can't be the trigger-man for such SpecOps missions, i.e., killing OBL, yet all the fools on the right who refuse to give the President credit for OBLs execution would have the public believe the only way to give President Obama credit for OBL out would be if HE pulled the trigger. How absord!!!

Give the man his due just as we gave George W. Bush his props for capturing Saddam on his watch and bringing him to trail and executing justice. To do anything less shows a total lack of respect for the man and the Office of the Presidency. To me, that's shameful.

I don't care what your personal opinion is of President Barack Obama, we all should still show respect for the man and the office he holds.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Iran is already involved and over the last 7 years worked with Turkey on occasion regarding the PKK/Pjak. Last but not least Iran is and has been involved in Iraqi affairs over the last 8 years, generally ever since Bremer was removed. The last two Iraqi PM have spent time in Iran, and have been assosiated with Shia groups with ties to Iran. Even the Iraqi Kurds (Tallibani) have good ties to Iran with the exception of course of the PJAK and its supporters
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Then that rather underscores the point that leaving Iraq was not a terribly good idea. It appears that the Middle East is becoming Iran's for the taking.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I was for going into Iraq, getting Saddam and his top henchmen out of power but I wasn't for the nation building that followed. My feelings were after a quick clean victory, "mission accomplished" we pull out and say as we go," Whoever takes this piece of crap country over, if you act like Saddam we will be back for your fat ass too". Once Bush set out on his course I didn't protest and didn't relish every set back as bush bashers did though. Bush was president and made the decision so I just hoped he was right and I was wrong. Obama got elected saying he'd get out of Iraq and that was the one thing I liked about him. Sadly he followed Bush plan and stayed 4 more years, more blood more treasure. I am not impressed.
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I think you need to read the book, "The War Within," also by Bod Woodward, then you'd have a different perspective on GWBush's war-making policies concerning Iraq between 2006-2008 and why President Obama retained troops there for as long as he has. I'm sure you'll come away with a much different perspective after reading it.
 
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