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Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

Thunder said:
Obama was the one to finally make the call. Obama sent them in. Obama shares in the success, just as Bush shares in the success of finding Saddam.
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That's a good way to put it.

I'm just glad Obama didn't play "nice guy" and tell the Pakistanis what we were planning ahead of time. OBL wouldn't have been there when Seal Team 6 arrived.
 
Tashah said:
I hate to piss on such good news, but a huge possible problem remains.

The Kurdish north might decide to roll the dice and formally secede from Iraq.

Kurdistan
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I am afraid you are probably going to be correct.
 
Zona said:
Why is it, if something negative happens, its all on the President because he is sitting in the office, but when something good happens (well, since 2008) its not all about the president (you know, accountability).

I am being serious here. If anything good happened during Bush's reign, I gave him props. When negative things happened under his watch...you know, 9/11 and so forth, I said he was being held responsible for it since he was sitting in that office.

You see, I am not a hack. How you doin? :)
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I will always give credit where credit is due, not saying Obama doesn't deserve the credit, as a matter of fact he does for the order given, what I am saying is the killing was done by seal team 6, in my book and for this they get all the credit. I believe as a leader of the free world, just be careful how we celebrate, killing is nothing to dance about but to breath a sigh of relief would be more proper...just IMO of course.
 
I watched fox and if you only looked at them and only read Drudge, right now you all would be depressed because this happened. Somehow this is a negative thing. Wow.
 
deltabtry said:
I will always give credit where credit is due, not saying Obama doesn't deserve the credit, as a matter of fact he does for the order given, what I am saying is the killing was done by seal team 6, in my book and for this they get all the credit. I believe as a leader of the free world, just be careful how we celebrate, killing is nothing to dance about but to breath a sigh of relief would be more proper...just IMO of course.
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BTW who called you a hack?..me?
 
StillBallin75 said:
It's not really "good news." I'd call this "less bad" news.
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I was referring to getting our soldiers out of Iraq as the "good news".

We've already expended a decade's worth of American blood and treasure. Enough is enough.
 
deltabtry said:
I will always give credit where credit is due, not saying Obama doesn't deserve the credit, as a matter of fact he does for the order given, what I am saying is the killing was done by seal team 6, in my book and for this they get all the credit. I believe as a leader of the free world, just be careful how we celebrate, killing is nothing to dance about but to breath a sigh of relief would be more proper...just IMO of course.
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had the SEAL team failed and all been captured or killed, Conservatives would be condemning Obama and calling for his impeachment and maybe even his head. but when the mission goes well, they refuse to acknowledge his success.

...just like with Iraq.
 
Zona said:
I watched fox and if you only looked at them and only read Drudge, right now you all would be depressed because this happened. Somehow this is a negative thing. Wow.
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how dare Obama fulfill Bush's signed agreemant with Iraq!!!!!
 
StillBallin75 said:
From my point of view, history tells me that some of our wars are just, while most are not. Violence and military force itself is inherently a tool of limited utility. After so many decades of attempting to export democracy across the world with mixed success, we have to recognize that some problems just can't be solved by government, something that conservatives love to tell liberals.
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This I can agree with you on, such as would our founding fathers.
 
deltabtry said:
I will always give credit where credit is due, not saying Obama doesn't deserve the credit, as a matter of fact he does for the order given, what I am saying is the killing was done by seal team 6, in my book and for this they get all the credit. I believe as a leader of the free world, just be careful how we celebrate, killing is nothing to dance about but to breath a sigh of relief would be more proper...just IMO of course.
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If he was killed under Bush, the right would have made him a hero sir. Those same people now say, it really had nothing to do with the president.

Of course the president of the united states was not on point for a seal team 6 operation. That is absurd. He is however responsible for them and they do work for HIM.
 
Thunder said:
had the SEAL team failed and all been captured or killed, Conservatives would be condemning Obama and calling for his impeachment and maybe even his head. but when the mission goes well, they refuse to acknowledge his success.

...just like with Iraq.
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100% on point.
 
Zona said:
...Of course the president of the united states was not on point for a seal team 6 operation. That is absurd. He is however responsible for them and they do work for HIM.
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Obama made the very hard call, which could have gone horribly wrong and been very bad for him, his re-election, and American foreign policy. This decision put his career as President in jeapordy, but he put that aside and did what he thought what was best for this nation.

But of course, Conservative prefer to see Obama as a coward, unable to make hard decisions in regards to foreign policy & terrorists.
 
Thunder said:
had the SEAL team failed and all been captured or killed, Conservatives would be condemning Obama and calling for his impeachment and maybe even his head. but when the mission goes well, they refuse to acknowledge his success.

...just like with Iraq.
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Yep just like Iraq, it is clearly evident where each political side stands when is comes to killing, success and of course failure, and we ask ourselves why are we so bitterly divided.
 
You know what I think is REALLY going on?

Conservatives are FURIOUS that Bush started the war, while Obama finished it.

They hate Obama's guts for killing Osama Bin Laden, presiding over the over-throw & death of Qhaddafi, and now the end of America's involvement in Iraq.

They loath him for this, and they go home every night cursing Obama's name...for stealing their victories.
 
Thunder said:
Obama made the very hard call, which could have gone horribly wrong and been very bad for him, his re-election, and American foreign policy. This decision put his career as President in jeapordy, but he put that aside and did what he thought what was best for this nation.

But of course, Conservative prefer to see Obama as a coward, unable to make hard decisions in regards to foreign policy & terrorists.
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I just see Obama as a president who is way over his head and lacks experience over all and on the other side of the aisle there wasn't much to choose from either. Would have Obama won the primaries or election is not for the war?
 
I was for going into Iraq, getting Saddam and his top henchmen out of power but I wasn't for the nation building that followed. My feelings were after a quick clean victory, "mission accomplished" we pull out and say as we go," Whoever takes this piece of crap country over, if you act like Saddam we will be back for your fat ass too". Once Bush set out on his course I didn't protest and didn't relish every set back as bush bashers did though. Bush was president and made the decision so I just hoped he was right and I was wrong. Obama got elected saying he'd get out of Iraq and that was the one thing I liked about him. Sadly he followed Bush plan and stayed 4 more years, more blood more treasure. I am not impressed.
 
Every one of Obama's success against terrorism, is one more thorn in the side of Conservatives. That's why they are sooooo furious about this.

Every terrorist that is killed during Obama's administration, is another splinter in Conservatives' feet.
 
Thunder said:
Obama made the very hard call, which could have gone horribly wrong and been very bad for him, his re-election, and American foreign policy. This decision put his career as President in jeapordy, but he put that aside and did what he thought what was best for this nation.

But of course, Conservative prefer to see Obama as a coward, unable to make hard decisions in regards to foreign policy & terrorists.
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Its funny you say this. I really haven't heard them say much about his foreign policy or how he deals with terrorism lately. :) Remember, prior to 2008, they all said he would be weak. I really dont mind Clinton now, but remember when she used to say something about that 3 oclock call and how Palin tried to say the same thing.

I guarantee you, the right will not even mention terrorism now. That avenue is closed. Obama is kicking butt there. They of course will try to spin this somehow, but the troops pulling out is a good thing. Bin Laden, and every terrorist killed under his watch is a good thing. They can spin it any way they want to.

Actually, the illegal alien situation is pretty much closed for the right as well. Again , Obama is kicking butt there as well. Spin spin spin, but he is still kicking butt.
 
Thunder said:
You know what I think is REALLY going on?

Conservatives are FURIOUS that Bush started the war, while Obama finished it.

They hate Obama's guts for killing Osama Bin Laden, presiding over the over-throw & death of Qhaddafi, and now the end of America's involvement in Iraq.

They loath him for this, and they go home every night cursing Obama's name...for stealing their victories.
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.for stealing their victories.
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LOL..your not doing your man any favors by posting this;)
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I was for going into Iraq, getting Saddam and his top henchmen out of power but I wasn't for the nation building that followed. My feelings were after a quick clean victory, "mission accomplished" we pull out and say as we go," Whoever takes this piece of crap country over, if you act like Saddam we will be back for your fat ass too". Once Bush set out on his course I didn't protest and didn't relish every set back as bush bashers did though. Bush was president and made the decision so I just hoped he was right and I was wrong. Obama got elected saying he'd get out of Iraq and that was the one thing I liked about him. Sadly he followed Bush plan and stayed 4 more years, more blood more treasure. I am not impressed.
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Wow. I mean....WOW.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
...Obama got elected saying he'd get out of Iraq and that was the one thing I liked about him. Sadly he followed Bush plan and stayed 4 more years, more blood more treasure. I am not impressed.
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2009-2011 is how many years?

how many troops are still in Iraq today?

did you expect Obama to remove ALL troops in one month?
 
Thunder said:
2009-2011 is how many years?

how many troops are still in Iraq today?

did you expect Obama to remove ALL troops in one month?
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And when he leaves 20 people there, it will be a victory for the right. They will say he lied and didnt remove "all" of them. God help us all if he builds an embassy there. :)
 
Zona said:
And when he leaves 20 people there, it will be a victory for the right. They will say he lied and didnt remove "all" of them. God help us all if he builds an embassy there. :)
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indeed. as long as Obama is POTUS, every American victory is really a failure, and every dead terrorist is really a human-rights abuse.
 
Yep. Even ones that occurred during Bush's terms.
 
Thunder said:
indeed. as long as Obama is POTUS, every American victory is really a failure, and every dead terrorist is really a human-rights abuse.
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I believe Bush got the exact same treatment from the left except he got eights years of it, Obama is lucky he will only get 4 years of it..next!
 
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