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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Immunity from prosecution is a standard feature of U.S. status-of-forces agreements around the world. This is why the Abu-Ghraib and Haditha prosecutions were held in US military courts rather than in Iraqi criminal courts.
    You are quite right and my response was inaccurate. I misunderstood that the argument being made was that American troops would be immune from local laws.

    There does seem to be a very dangerous game being played here, however, and the story behind it should be very interesting. On the face of it there seems little sense.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The question isn't whether the U.S. will issue contracts for ammunition, among other supplies, in order to get involved in a war.

    The question is whether the U.S. will get involved in a war in order to issue contracts for ammunition, among other supplies.
    That would have to ve a helluva stimulus program. Unless solar energy is involved I don't see that happening.



    That is true.

    But it does mean that the war will be over for the U.S. Which something that, apparently, the Iraqis want as well.
    The US cannot decide when the war is over. That will be determined by others.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Unusually for a Muslim country, Iran has a majority Shia population. Now that Saddam's minority Sunni control is gone, the nominally secular Iraq is Shia too. Why would they fight?
    I'm not saying they will (it's all still up in the air), but if they did it would be because Iraq is supplying the US with oil and Iraq does not engage in anti-American rhetoric. Iraq may start talking nasty after we leave, in which case Iran would approve. But if Iraq maintains a positive working relationship with the US, that would get on Iran's last good nerve.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Turkey has been doing this since 2008, the article doesnt say that Iran will join them, merely that they will cooperate.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Now if only Afghanistan....

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    If they did it would be because of Iraq's relationship with the US. Iran already hates the Saudis because of their productive relationship with the US. It's not hard to see then extending that policy toward Iraq.
    Iran is not ruled by cartoon villains constantly plotting the downfall of the United States. It is ruled by a government that looks out for what it views as its own best interests in foreign policy, just like every other government in the world. And it is certainly not in Iran's interests to go to war with the only ally it has in the region. The Islamic Republic is on thin ice as it is.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well as usual Obama is never going to win with many cons in this thread.

    If he does do it.

    "He's weak! He's Making a mistake! What an idiot"

    If he doesn't do it.

    "Hey Libbo's! He went back on his promises! Hows that hope and change working out for you".

    Meh.

    Good, Iraq should never have been fought in the first place.
    No, we never should have invaded in the first place. That is true.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Iran is not ruled by cartoon villains constantly plotting the downfall of the United States. It is ruled by a government that looks out for what it views as its own best interests in foreign policy, just like every other government in the world. And it is certainly not in Iran's interests to go to war with the only ally it has in the region. The Islamic Republic is on thin ice as it is.
    Iran is hardly in the habit of behaving in a statesmanly way. In fact it's very hateful and ungentlemanly rhetoric is more reminiscent of a cartoon villain than a careful planner of foreign policy. If Iraq doesn't play the game of "ally" exactly as Iran expects it, we may see conflict between the two. What you left out of my quote is that I'm NOT saying that conflict will happen for certain, only that it might. And if it does, it will be because Iraq doesn't behave as Iran wants it to.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Iran is hardly in the habit of behaving in a statesmanly way. In fact it's very hateful and ungentlemanly rhetoric is more reminiscent of a cartoon villain than a careful planner of foreign policy. If Iraq doesn't play the game of "ally" exactly as Iran expects it, we may see conflict between the two. What you left out of my quote is that I'm NOT saying that conflict will happen for certain, only that it might. And if it does, it will be because Iraq doesn't behave as Iran wants it to.
    It is more likely to be a friendly partnership between them. Iraq has more to worry about internally.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Iran is hardly in the habit of behaving in a statesmanly way.
    If that were the case then they would never have acquired the power they currently have. A country like Iran doesn't get to be a regional power by making foolish decisions. Its government has a pretty solid grasp of where its interests lie. Much moreso than ours does, I suspect.

    In fact it's very hateful and ungentlemanly rhetoric is more reminiscent of a cartoon villain than a careful planner of foreign policy.
    You're referring to Ahmadinejad? He has no real power anyway.

    If Iraq doesn't play the game of "ally" exactly as Iran expects it, we may see conflict between the two. What you left out of my quote is that I'm NOT saying that conflict will happen for certain, only that it might. And if it does, it will be because Iraq doesn't behave as Iran wants it to.
    That threat of conflict doesn't seem to deter every other country in the region from not being Iran's ally. Bullying countries into an alliance doesn't work for very long, as we've discovered in Afghanistan and, well, Iraq.
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