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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How long until Iran goes to war with Iraq for the 100th time?
    Why would Iran want to go to war with Iraq? Iraq has a moderately pro-Iran Shiite regime in place, which doesn't seem keen on provoking any of its neighbors. Contrast that to Saddam Hussein, who was a Sunni, and was bellicose toward everyone else in the region...including launching an invasion of Iran (with an assist from the United States).

    Neither the government of Iran nor the government in Iraq has any reason to go to war with the other, and both seem pretty focused on building a good working relationship with their neighbor.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

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    I'm saying that private military contractors and weapon systems companies and warplane manufacturers have a vested interest in ensuring that wars happening so that they may profit by them via government contracts.

    Which is made all the worse considering that Congressmen may decide on these defense contracts while remaining shareholders in companies competing (or sometimes not) for a contract. Even though the staff of Congressmen and members of an executive agency are barred from owning shares in such companies while serving their country.
    There are many companies which profit from government contracts in peace time and in war. If the US is going to involve itself in a war than they will need ammunition, among other supplies. This is public knowledge, and has always been so.



    Well, as has been pointed out, the troop withdrawal is not strictly because of domestic political purposes. They are being withdrawn because Iraq refuses to continue immunity from prosecution for war crimes for U.S. soldiers.

    But let's say that wasn't a factor. It is silly to say that foreign policy and domestic policy exist in a vacuum from each other. If our domestic well-being has suffered from the current recession that does not mean our foreign policy goes unaffected. After all, if we can pay for the basics of our domestic policies, such as education and transportation infrastructure, it is insane to suggest that we can continue to pay for a war like we did before the recession.
    The fact is that the United States and its citizens do not live in a vacuum. Just because you exit this particular battlefield does not mean that the war is over.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Well as usual Obama is never going to win with many cons in this thread.

    If he does do it.

    "He's weak! He's Making a mistake! What an idiot"

    If he doesn't do it.

    "Hey Libbo's! He went back on his promises! Hows that hope and change working out for you".

    Meh.

    Good, Iraq should never have been fought in the first place.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why would Iran want to go to war with Iraq? Iraq has a moderately pro-Iran Shiite regime in place, which doesn't seem keen on provoking any of its neighbors. Contrast that to Saddam Hussein, who was a Sunni, and was bellicose toward everyone else in the region...including launching an invasion of Iran (with an assist from the United States).

    Neither the government of Iran nor the government in Iraq has any reason to go to war with the other, and both seem pretty focused on building a good working relationship with their neighbor.
    Maybe, this time, it really is all about oil.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's just a ridiculous excuse. All Americans everywhere are subject to local laws and have never had diplomatic immunity.
    Immunity from prosecution is a standard feature of U.S. status-of-forces agreements around the world. This is why the Abu-Ghraib and Haditha prosecutions were held in US military courts rather than in Iraqi criminal courts.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    as long as we have 5,000 troops sitting in Kuwait, I got no problem with this plan.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are many companies which profit from government contracts in peace time and in war. If the US is going to involve itself in a war than they will need ammunition, among other supplies. This is public knowledge, and has always been so.
    The question isn't whether the U.S. will issue contracts for ammunition, among other supplies, in order to get involved in a war.

    The question is whether the U.S. will get involved in a war in order to issue contracts for ammunition, among other supplies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The fact is that the United States and its citizens do not live in a vacuum. Just because you exit this particular battlefield does not mean that the war is over.
    That is true.

    But it does mean that the war will be over for the U.S. Which something that, apparently, the Iraqis want as well.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why would Iran want to go to war with Iraq? Iraq has a moderately pro-Iran Shiite regime in place, which doesn't seem keen on provoking any of its neighbors. Contrast that to Saddam Hussein, who was a Sunni, and was bellicose toward everyone else in the region...including launching an invasion of Iran (with an assist from the United States).

    Neither the government of Iran nor the government in Iraq has any reason to go to war with the other, and both seem pretty focused on building a good working relationship with their neighbor.
    If they did it would be because of Iraq's relationship with the US. Iran already hates the Saudis because of their productive relationship with the US. It's not hard to see then extending that policy toward Iraq.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    If they did it would be because of Iraq's relationship with the US. Iran already hates the Saudis because of their productive relationship with the US. It's not hard to see then extending that policy toward Iraq.
    Unusually for a Muslim country, Iran has a majority Shia population. Now that Saddam's minority Sunni control is gone, the nominally secular Iraq is Shia too. Why would they fight?
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    "Thunder"- rest assured that many or more will be in kuwait,I'm married to the military so I know a little. While it's nice of civvies to feel better for the military and their families, we're still facing deployments, just a different location.

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