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Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

I think when you say embassy, you mean a compound which is a more accurate description of that building over in Baghdad. Do you really think that using hired mercenaries was something that Bush wouldn't resort to? Bush set up this plan and Obama followed through.

Thank goodness for the vision of Bush because then Obama wouldn't have a blueprint to follow.

any evidence that the final set-up is really part of Bush's plan from 2008?
 
negotiating with the Iraqi PM to keep a contingent of US forces in a foreign country with immunity isn't work?

what do you call it then?
Since he wasnt able to accomplish his goal, Id call it his 'norm'.

I have no problem with the withdrawal. I do have a problem with his trumpeting this like it is something he accomplished and his glad-handers rushing to proclaim 'victory'. Still no word yet on who we were fighting in 'the war' for the last 7 years and who we appraently triumphed over all of a sudden.

In other news, Obama proclaims that there will in fact be a 'tomorrow'. And the crowd goes wild...
 
Since he wasnt able to accomplish his goal, Id call it his 'norm'.

I have no problem with the withdrawal. I do have a problem with his trumpeting this like it is something he accomplished and his glad-handers rushing to proclaim 'victory'. Still no word yet on who we were fighting in 'the war' for the last 7 years and who we appraently triumphed over all of a sudden.

In other news, Obama proclaims that there will in fact be a 'tomorrow'. And the crowd goes wild...

let us know when he flys onto an aircraft carrier and proclaims "Mission Accomplished", like an asshole.
 
Bush didn't set up a plan that would allow hundreds if not 1,000 American troops to stay behind to protect our embassy. He also didn't set up a plan to keep thousand of private defense contractors to stick around. And he didn't create the plan to keep a few special-ops around.

That was Obama's doing. Bush simply signed a document and left the next POTUS to do the hard work.

Good grief !!! For you to claim that Obama somehow "negotiated" the keeping of troops at our embassy compound is absurd. There was no heavy-lifting by teh U.S. on any part of the continuing arrangement.

I am not bashing the refusal to submit to further Iraqi demands in order for us to maintain a larger troop presence, and I have already agreed that bringing them home now is the correct decision. But Obama rates no credit worth a hoot here, and especially no credit for the imaginary achievements that you note.
 
The object was never to stay in Iraq forever. They need to stand on their own two feet at some point. And so what if the conditions aren't perfect. No country lives in "perfect" conditions anywhere. What the US needed was smooth exit strategy. One that didn't look like we were "running away" or "giving up." I have zero doubts that the US could've brokered a deal with Iraq that maintained a US troop presence. Their refusal to offer immunity simply provided a convenient reason to leave. How long do you suppose that negotiation lasted, five minutes? Maybe 30 minutes so we could appear sufficiently disappointed?

How do you think that dialogue went like?

"You won't give our troops immunity? Well, gosh. I guess that means we have to pull our troops. What? Oh that's not a smile, it's a grimace of extraordinary pain. We're terribly disappointed. Really. Well gosh, look at the time, I really need to walk the dog. Later!"
 
let us know when he flys onto an aircraft carrier and proclaims "Mission Accomplished", like an asshole.

I would have much rather Obama stood under a "Mission Accomplished" banner rather than "Hopey Changey" and all the other massive failures he has presided over.
 
...But Obama rates no credit worth a hoot here, and especially no credit for the imaginary achievements that you note.

If Obama instead conceded and allowed thousands of American troops to fall under Iraqi law, the GOP/Tea-Baggers would be condemning Obama for surrendering to foreign demands that would endanger our troops.

Instead, Obama has decided to protect our troops and remove the giant American teet from the mouth of the now 13 year-old Iraqi baby.

Obama is attacked for what he does & attacked for what he doesn't do, by the GOP/Tea-Baggers.
 
Yayyyyy!!! (Just saw this post), Bush's Great Recession can finally come to an end!
 
let us know when he flys onto an aircraft carrier and proclaims "Mission Accomplished", like an asshole.
Let us know when he accomplishes something. Bush oversaw the war against Afghanistan and Iraq. Those wars both ended 8 and 9 years ago. If we are now declaring an end to 'war', Id still love to know who we are claiming we have been fighting for the last 8 and 9 years and what has occured to claim 'victory.'

Bush did a great job as CiC in fighting and ending the wars. He did a lousy job with post war ops. Obama has done nothing but follow the Bush gameplan that he and so many on the left spent 8 and 9 years bitching about. Yeah buddy...he should hang a banner...
 
Let us know when he accomplishes something. Bush oversaw the war against Afghanistan and Iraq. Those wars both ended 8 and 9 years ago...

Obama has accomplished nothing...and the Iraqi & Afghanistan wars ended in 2003 and 2002???????

please, take it to the Conspiracy Theory section.
 
Let us know when he accomplishes something. Bush oversaw the war against Afghanistan and Iraq. Those wars both ended 8 and 9 years ago. If we are now declaring an end to 'war', Id still love to know who we are claiming we have been fighting for the last 8 and 9 years and what has occured to claim 'victory.'

Bush did a great job as CiC in fighting and ending the wars. He did a lousy job with post war ops. Obama has done nothing but follow the Bush gameplan that he and so many on the left spent 8 and 9 years bitching about. Yeah buddy...he should hang a banner...

It's not exactly "ending the war" if you have more action/violence in "post-war ops" than you do during the "war." Vance, you need to get past this notion that the Iraq War ended in '03. There are plenty of policymakers, analysts, and troops and their families who will tell you different.
 
If Obama instead conceded and allowed thousands of American troops to fall under Iraqi law, the GOP/Tea-Baggers would be condemning Obama for surrendering to foreign demands that would endanger our troops.

Instead, Obama has decided to protect our troops and remove the giant American teet from the mouth of the now 13 year-old Iraqi baby.

Obama is attacked for what he does & attacked for what he doesn't do, by the GOP/Tea-Baggers.

Many Conservatives are fine with all the troops coming out. That some are not, and have taken shots at Obama over this, they do at their own political calculations. As noted by many Conservatives in this thread, this was an easy decision to make.
 
It's not exactly "ending the war" if you have more action/violence in "post-war ops" than you do during the "war." Vance, you need to get past this notion that the Iraq War ended in '03. There are plenty of policymakers, analysts, and troops and their families who will tell you different.

its an absurd idea, full of ignorance and partisan politics.
 
Obama has accomplished nothing...and the Iraqi & Afghanistan wars ended in 2003 and 2002???????

please, take it to the Conspiracy Theory section.
They didnt? No need for conspiracy...just a little honesty. We went to war against the Taliban led Afghanistan government. That was over in about a month. We have worked with and stood by the Afghanistan people, their government, and their soldiers since. Who then are we fighting? Insurgents...terrorists...no different than post WW2. Same scenario in Iraq. Saddam and his military was defeated long ago. The 'war' with Iraq ended in 2003. So who then have we been fighting in Iraq in this 'war' since then? Al qaeda...terrorists. Is the 'war' with them over?
 
...The 'war' with Iraq ended in 2003. So who then have we been fighting in Iraq in this 'war' since then? Al qaeda...terrorists. Is the 'war' with them over?

you can tell yourself this all you like, but it doesn't make it so.
 
It's not exactly "ending the war" if you have more action/violence in "post-war ops" than you do during the "war." Vance, you need to get past this notion that the Iraq War ended in '03. There are plenty of policymakers, analysts, and troops and their families who will tell you different.
Did the war in Germany end in 1945 or does it continue today since we have troops there? Was the war against Germany still on 10 years later when American troops working with Germans were still cleaning out pockets of nazi resisters? The war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan ended in 2003 and 2002 respectively. I was in theater for the end of both. My son just left Iraq in July. We have been in post-war ops since the war ended, working WITH the Iraqi and Afghanistan people, government, and military. True or false?
 
you can tell yourself this all you like, but it doesn't make it so.
So we HAVE still been fighting to defeat the Iraqi go0vernment and people? Od course not. The ones who need to shut down their dogged insistence on a lie are you and people like you. We have been fighting terrorists. That 'war' isnt over. It better never be over. The 'enemy' we face today will damn sure be there tomorrow.
 
So we HAVE still been fighting to defeat the Iraqi go0vernment and people? Od course not. The ones who need to shut down their dogged insistence on a lie are you and people like you. We have been fighting terrorists. That 'war' isnt over. It better never be over. The 'enemy' we face today will damn sure be there tomorrow.

our war in Iraq ends when our military forces have left Iraq.

our war in Afghanistan ends when our military forces have left Afghanistan.
 
our war in Iraq ends when our military forces have left Iraq.

our war in Afghanistan ends when our military forces have left Afghanistan.
Must make you vewy much haz a sad that we are still 'at war' in Germany...Japan...Korea...Kuwait...
 
your logic in this thread is pathetic & desperate.
Who are we 'fighting' today? When we leave, will that war be over?

Pathetic...you haz it.
 
ok, so the war in Iraq ended in 2003. and the war in Afghanistan ended in 2002. glad to hear it.
Your refusal to answer the question over and over and over and over says it all. I get it...you havent given it any thought and if you did you would realize 1-our presence in post war Iraq and Afghanistan is no different than post war Germany and Japan and 2-The enemy we fight today is NOT Iraq OR Afghanistan but is still very real.

Who are we fighting today? When we leave, will that 'war' be over? Dont worry...I wont ask it again.
 
War ended? Call it what you will, but Iraq has been waging a civil war for some time. We've merely played referee there. And expensive and life wasting effort at playing referee is all we've really done there. Afghanistan is a little more complicated, with more consequences concerning Pakistan. But the battle there is as well largely one concerning the Afghan people.
 
Your refusal to answer the question over and over and over and over says it all. I get it...you havent given it any thought and if you did you would realize 1-our presence in post war Iraq and Afghanistan is no different than post war Germany and Japan and 2-The enemy we fight today is NOT Iraq OR Afghanistan but is still very real.

Who are we fighting today? When we leave, will that 'war' be over? Dont worry...I wont ask it again.

you're right. Bush never asked Congress to declare war against Iraq nor Afghanistan, therefore not only did the wars end in 2002 & 2003, they weren't even real wars.
 
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