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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you understand the quote system?

    If so quote were I compared WWII to the Iraq war. Otherwise just go your own way.
    It's been explained to you quite clearly. Pretending otherwise doesn't help you.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Fighting to win is the solution.
    So, explain your vision of fighting to win.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

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    in your very biased opinion.
    Yes, it is my very biased opinion that the Constitution should be followed. I know that's "out there" and "radical", but it is where I come from. The last just war we fought was WW II as it was the last time we actually declared wars before finding neat little ways around it. Now we can dispose of actual governments and foreign leaders without it, all at the behest of the President. Isn't getting rid of checks and balances great!
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly. And as the Jihadists take over the Middle East there will be more Pearl Harbors. They are already murdering Christians in Egypt with impunity and this will continue. Then Israel will be next. Chanting against Jews, as we can see in the OWS demonstrations will become more commonplace, while complaining against any Islamic activities will be "Islamophobic". The Left has aligned themselves with the Jihadists so there is an ever growing fifth column in the western democracies.

    It is impossible to be isolated from any of this.
    So....what's the point of this hysteria? If we don't keep military operations in the ME, if we stop fighting wars without declaring war, etc. the Jewish people are doomed because OWS...what?

    Egypt must deal with Egypt's problems. Israel must deal with Israel's problems. That little aside you threw in there to try to paint OWS as some anti semitic movement was rather....interesting. I don't see really a point you have here other then something about Jews.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Fighting to win is the solution.
    The solution is to fight an ideology? To keep going on this path which has shown to not bear fruit? Forever War is NEVER a solution.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The solution is to fight an ideology? To keep going on this path which has shown to not bear fruit? Forever War is NEVER a solution.
    I think some use words like win as if there was something to win by fighting forever. A battle of ideas has to be fought with ideas and not troops on the whole. What places there may be for troops are largely lmited in scope with a very specific purpose that can be accomplished in a relatively short time. Anything that ends in endless war is rarely, if ever, fruitful or desirable.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's been explained to you quite clearly. Pretending otherwise doesn't help you.
    Explained quite clearly?

    No, it hasn't. You said I made a comparison between the Iraq War and WWII, which was demonstrably false. Either use the quote where I made that claim or back off.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, explain your vision of fighting to win.
    Winning means there is no doubt who the victor is.

    Not having a decisive victory means the war will continue indefinitely.

    It's amazing that this still has to be explained, but perhaps that's just the age in which we live.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have to note another mistake you make in comparing Iraq to WWII. involving yourself in a war where millions are being killed, when a speicfic country has attecked you (Japan) and another had already declared war onyou (Germany) is not at all the same as invading a country on a pretext. Iraq had not attacked us and in fact was not capable of posing the kind of threat that would justify an invasion. It is pure hyperbole to compare the two as you do above.
    I repost this for you Grant.

    I responded to this portion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant
    The American people were very much against involving themselves in WWII just 20 years after "The War To End All Wars" but that proved impossible. Since then there has been Communism with its 100 million plus victims and now Islamic terrorism. This goes well beyond trade and diplomatic relations and there is really nothing anyone can do about it except to meet the challenges the bad guys are always creating. That's just the way of the world.
    When you asked to show you, I responed witht he following:

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo
    A subtle one to be sure, but when you begin with people being against WWII, you invite comparison.
    When I said it was sutble, I meant just that. You make a progression linking all these together when in reality they don't link well. Iraq is part of that link and can't be linked this way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The solution is to fight an ideology? To keep going on this path which has shown to not bear fruit? Forever War is NEVER a solution.
    Most wars are fought against ideologies and certainly you should be familiar with those ideologies of the last century which cost so many millions of lives.

    of course "FOREVER wars" are not the solution, which means there has to be a decisive victory. The sooner this occurs the better it is for everyone.

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