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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes. Friends with all, entangling alliances with none. Jefferson had said something similar. That's the goal. We can have diplomatic relations, we can have trade relations with as many as we can. But less they directly threaten our own sovereignty, then we do not intercede militarily. It is quite a realistic alternative, one which requires a lot of backbone for sure, but not one outside the realm of reality.
    Times have changed dramatically since Jefferson's musings. While the United States may want to restrict itself diplomatic and trade relations it cannot insist other countries, or terrorist groups, do the same.

    The American people were very much against involving themselves in WWII just 20 years after "The War To End All Wars" but that proved impossible. Since then there has been Communism with its 100 million plus victims and now Islamic terrorism. This goes well beyond trade and diplomatic relations and there is really nothing anyone can do about it except to meet the challenges the bad guys are always creating. That's just the way of the world.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

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    Times have changed dramatically since Jefferson's musings. While the United States may want to restrict itself diplomatic and trade relations it cannot insist other countries, or terrorist groups, do the same.

    The American people were very much against involving themselves in WWII just 20 years after "The War To End All Wars" but that proved impossible. Since then there has been Communism with its 100 million plus victims and now Islamic terrorism. This goes well beyond trade and diplomatic relations and there is really nothing anyone can do about it except to meet the challenges the bad guys are always creating. That's just the way of the world.
    I have to note another mistake you make in comparing Iraq to WWII. involving yourself in a war where millions are being killed, when a speicfic country has attecked you (Japan) and another had already declared war onyou (Germany) is not at all the same as invading a country on a pretext. Iraq had not attacked us and in fact was not capable of posing the kind of threat that would justify an invasion. It is pure hyperbole to compare the two as you do above.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Times have changed dramatically since Jefferson's musings. While the United States may want to restrict itself diplomatic and trade relations it cannot insist other countries, or terrorist groups, do the same.

    The American people were very much against involving themselves in WWII just 20 years after "The War To End All Wars" but that proved impossible. Since then there has been Communism with its 100 million plus victims and now Islamic terrorism. This goes well beyond trade and diplomatic relations and there is really nothing anyone can do about it except to meet the challenges the bad guys are always creating. That's just the way of the world.
    WW II, the last time we officially declared war, the last just war fought by America. If only out government were now so beholden to the Constitution as they were then. Iraq, which we spent nearly 10 years in, lost a good number of American lives, wasted 100's of billions of dollars, etc...they didn't bomb us. Just a FYI there.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    WW II, the last time we officially declared war, the last just war fought by America....
    in your very biased opinion.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    in your very biased opinion.
    I wouldn't take anything away for the cost of the conflicts or the pain or suggest these conflicts weren't serious, but she is correct. They were not declared wars.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

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    I have to note another mistake you make in comparing Iraq to WWII.
    I've been down this road before and so have others. If you can see anywhere I've compared Iraq to WWII then please do the quote. I simply don't have the inclination or interest to deal with people like yourself.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    WW II, the last time we officially declared war, the last just war fought by America. If only out government were now so beholden to the Constitution as they were then. Iraq, which we spent nearly 10 years in, lost a good number of American lives, wasted 100's of billions of dollars, etc...they didn't bomb us. Just a FYI there.
    It was less than ten years and in fact Congress and the Senate each approved the war on Iraq. In fact Saddam didn't even follow the conditions of the ceasefire following Desert Storm.

    The left will lie, that's just the way it is, which means you're going to have to get the facts for yourself.

    The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    The fact that Republicans are condemning Obama for following-through on a negotiated promise Republican President George Bush made to Iraq, shows just how dishonest & hypocritical they are.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    [QUOTE=Grant;1059912575]

    I've been down this road before and so have others. If you can see anywhere I've compared Iraq to WWII then please do the quote. I simply don't have the inclination or interest to deal with people like yourself.
    A subtle one to be sure, but when you begin with people being against WWII, you invite comparison.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    A subtle one to be sure, but when you begin with people being against WWII, you invite comparison.
    I invited no comparison whatsoever.

    Anyone who cannot use the quote system should not be on these boards.

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