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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I think when you say embassy, you mean a compound which is a more accurate description of that building over in Baghdad. Do you really think that using hired mercenaries was something that Bush wouldn't resort to? Bush set up this plan and Obama followed through.

    Thank goodness for the vision of Bush because then Obama wouldn't have a blueprint to follow.
    It's funny...

    You guys want the President to stop claiming he inherited a mess from his predicessor, but you refuse to give the man credit for either following through on what his predecessor left either undone or inadequate. The truth of the matter is an incoming President always acts on the building blocks (or mistakes) made by his predecessor. The hope is that he either improves upon the initiatives left behind or he throws the bad out and brings forward something new.

    I have no problem with President Obama carrying forward and strengthening as best he can the work GW Bush left undone and in Iraq.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Obama didn't kill OBL, Navy seal team 6 did, yet they do not celebrate it perhaps a lesson we all can use.
    Well, in that case, GWB didn't kill Saddam Hussein. Members from the U.S. Army did.

    What's your point again? Oh...I see...NOTHIN'! But...

    If we're tallying body counts under each President...

    Obama = 3

    GWB = 1


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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Yep just like Iraq, it is clearly evident where each political side stands when is comes to killing, success and of course failure, and we ask ourselves why are we so bitterly divided.
    We're divided because it's all about one-ups'manship...each side has to discredit the other instead of working together to accomplish big things.

    Sad really...

    I mean, anyone with a brain knows that the President of the United States can't be the trigger-man for such SpecOps missions, i.e., killing OBL, yet all the fools on the right who refuse to give the President credit for OBLs execution would have the public believe the only way to give President Obama credit for OBL out would be if HE pulled the trigger. How absord!!!

    Give the man his due just as we gave George W. Bush his props for capturing Saddam on his watch and bringing him to trail and executing justice. To do anything less shows a total lack of respect for the man and the Office of the Presidency. To me, that's shameful.

    I don't care what your personal opinion is of President Barack Obama, we all should still show respect for the man and the office he holds.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Iran is already involved and over the last 7 years worked with Turkey on occasion regarding the PKK/Pjak. Last but not least Iran is and has been involved in Iraqi affairs over the last 8 years, generally ever since Bremer was removed. The last two Iraqi PM have spent time in Iran, and have been assosiated with Shia groups with ties to Iran. Even the Iraqi Kurds (Tallibani) have good ties to Iran with the exception of course of the PJAK and its supporters
    Then that rather underscores the point that leaving Iraq was not a terribly good idea. It appears that the Middle East is becoming Iran's for the taking.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was for going into Iraq, getting Saddam and his top henchmen out of power but I wasn't for the nation building that followed. My feelings were after a quick clean victory, "mission accomplished" we pull out and say as we go," Whoever takes this piece of crap country over, if you act like Saddam we will be back for your fat ass too". Once Bush set out on his course I didn't protest and didn't relish every set back as bush bashers did though. Bush was president and made the decision so I just hoped he was right and I was wrong. Obama got elected saying he'd get out of Iraq and that was the one thing I liked about him. Sadly he followed Bush plan and stayed 4 more years, more blood more treasure. I am not impressed.
    I think you need to read the book, "The War Within," also by Bod Woodward, then you'd have a different perspective on GWBush's war-making policies concerning Iraq between 2006-2008 and why President Obama retained troops there for as long as he has. I'm sure you'll come away with a much different perspective after reading it.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then that rather underscores the point that leaving Iraq was not a terribly good idea. It appears that the Middle East is becoming Iran's for the taking.
    Iran has a population of around 70 million, Iraq, the Gulf state, Turkey, Egypt combined have around triple that. Saudi Arabia has a far higher military budget, far more modern equipment (jets, and tanks), so does Turkey.

    Iran is not going to take over the middle east. It doesnt have the military capacity to do so. It cant stop the PJAK/PKK terrorists or the Balochi terrorists within its own country, imagine the difficulty it will face if it invade Iraq. At most Iran will follow the same policies it has of supporting local groups as proxies and have influence rather then control
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Zona View Post
    Its funny you say this. I really haven't heard them say much about his foreign policy or how he deals with terrorism lately. Remember, prior to 2008, they all said he would be weak. I really dont mind Clinton now, but remember when she used to say something about that 3 oclock call and how Palin tried to say the same thing.

    I guarantee you, the right will not even mention terrorism now. That avenue is closed. Obama is kicking butt there. They of course will try to spin this somehow, but the troops pulling out is a good thing. Bin Laden, and every terrorist killed under his watch is a good thing. They can spin it any way they want to.

    Actually, the illegal alien situation is pretty much closed for the right as well. Again , Obama is kicking butt there as well. Spin spin spin, but he is still kicking butt.
    Ah, young grasshoppa...

    You have learned how to filter out the white noise of politics. I commend you, my young cha'detch. You are learning well, my son. (Just playin', but you're beginning to figure out how the rhetorical game is played...Well Done!)

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Iran is not going to take over the middle east. It doesnt have the military capacity to do so. It cant stop the PJAK/PKK terrorists or the Balochi terrorists within its own country, imagine the difficulty it will face if it invade Iraq. At most Iran will follow the same policies it has of supporting local groups as proxies and have influence rather then control
    It will continue to expand it's influence via "soft power"
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It will continue to expand it's influence via "soft power"
    I don't see what influence Iran would have, and what everyone's talking about Iran's influence other than their ability to commit sporadic acts of terrorism in Iraq and abroad.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's funny...

    You guys want the President to stop claiming he inherited a mess from his predicessor, but you refuse to give the man credit for either following through on what his predecessor left either undone or inadequate. The truth of the matter is an incoming President always acts on the building blocks (or mistakes) made by his predecessor. The hope is that he either improves upon the initiatives left behind or he throws the bad out and brings forward something new.

    I have no problem with President Obama carrying forward and strengthening as best he can the work GW Bush left undone and in Iraq.
    Bush was a disaster and there is no reason to mimic him.

    Obama is only carrying through with Bush's timeline due to the fact that we mowed down innocent civilians, including women and babies. The Iraqis do not want us there. This failed neocon policy of exporting American values at the barrel of a gun is most evident.

    Obama's platform in 2008 was change, not more of the same. Unfortunately, people like you do not hold Obama to his word. They apologize for it.

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