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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Heres the thing about winning a war. Once you have won the war you have to decide what role you are going to play. Are you a conqueror? then we should have populated Iraq and kicked them out. Where you at war to vanquish an enemy? In this case yes, so with the ouster of Saddam, we really have no choice but to either occupy or leave. We should leave when the country has had time to secure itself. We have done that. The now 'host' country wants us to leave. All is well. If they arent ready to take over their country then in short order they will be a giant smoking hole. that will be on them for squandering 8 years of post war cooperation and training.
    Admittedly this is a different war than previous wars because, more than ever, it relies on intelligence. Sometimes this intelligence is gleaned over months and sometimes minutes, but the military, in whatever arm it might be, needs time to respond. Having troops in the most problematic area of the world would seem to be a good thing but now the problem has been created of once removing them, how do you get them back in? Would Congress then need to have a vote, or would they avoid Congress and just act under presidential discretion, as what happened with Libya.

    We can see the problem with the Kurds in the North and the Iraqi government unable to do much about it. This has allowed Iran to get involved, along with Turkey, and this will only escalate. Iran, once involved in Iraqi affairs, will not simply disappear. They'll be coveting all the mid east oil and the money and power that goes with it. Short term political decisions are so predictable and can have such long term negative consequences.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    But good politicing. Points to Obama.
    Actually it was first promised by George Bush and reiterated by BHO.

    Telegraphing your date of departure to an enemy has never been a military strategy until very recent times. West Point would seem to have much to answer for.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Bush did not engage in a war without the support of his government, IE, your elected officials. To say that "Well, regardless of what my elected official does or says, I, personally don't support the war" is hugely irresponsible. WE are the ones who are supposed to hold our public leaders accountable.
    Many people in gernal had the fever. True. Congress pasted the buck, and let Bush alone decide. Cowardly and showing incredible lack of responsibility, congress did not do it's job. But he limits his claim to liberals. Not democrats. Not the public on the whole. Liberals. I would love to see some actual evidence to support that.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Admittedly this is a different war than previous wars because, more than ever, it relies on intelligence. Sometimes this intelligence is gleaned over months and sometimes minutes, but the military, in whatever arm it might be, needs time to respond. Having troops in the most problematic area of the world would seem to be a good thing but now the problem has been created of once removing them, how do you get them back in? Would Congress then need to have a vote, or would they avoid Congress and just act under presidential discretion, as what happened with Libya.

    We can see the problem with the Kurds in the North and the Iraqi government unable to do much about it. This has allowed Iran to get involved, along with Turkey, and this will only escalate. Iran, once involved in Iraqi affairs, will not simply disappear. They'll be coveting all the mid east oil and the money and power that goes with it. Short term political decisions are so predictable and can have such long term negative consequences.

    Iran is already involved and over the last 7 years worked with Turkey on occasion regarding the PKK/Pjak. Last but not least Iran is and has been involved in Iraqi affairs over the last 8 years, generally ever since Bremer was removed. The last two Iraqi PM have spent time in Iran, and have been assosiated with Shia groups with ties to Iran. Even the Iraqi Kurds (Tallibani) have good ties to Iran with the exception of course of the PJAK and its supporters
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    But good politicing. Points to Obama.
    Its good in the sense of a con artist selling a sno-cone to an Eskimo, which will surely wins points with Obama supporters.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Its good in the sense of a con artist selling a sno-cone to an Eskimo, which will surely wins points with Obama supporters.
    To be fair, no US politician with the exception of Ron Paul would as president state


    Our troops are coming home. We wanted to keep tens of thousands in Iraq. But the Iraqi government would not grant immunity to any crimes they committed while in Iraq. We couldnt allow that and as such are removing our troops from Iraq
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    It looks like Wikileaks played an important role in ending the occupation in Iraq and putting a kink in Obama's plan to stay longer.

    The negotiations were strained following WikiLeaks’ release of a diplomatic cable that alleged Iraqi civilians, including children, were killed in a 2006 raid by American troops rather than in an airstrike as the U.S. military initially reported...

    That cable was released by WikiLeaks in May, 2011, and, as McClatchy put it at the time, “provides evidence that U.S. troops executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old infant, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence, during a controversial 2006 incident in the central Iraqi town of Ishaqi.” The U.S. then lied and claimed the civilians were killed by the airstrike...

    In other words, whoever leaked that cable cast light on a heinous American war crime and, by doing so, likely played some significant role in thwarting an agreement between the Obama and Maliki governments to keep U.S. troops in Iraq and thus helped end this stage of the Iraq war
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    He failed to honor the War Powers acts. The SC ruled that congrescritters did not have standing to challenge the matter though it should have led at least to a SC ruling about how the particulars were to be defined. And then the congresscritters failed to impeach him over it and have it ironed out that way.
    What does this have to do with whether bringing our troops home is a good thing?
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Iraq and the Iraqi government want us out of Iraq

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    What does this have to do with whether bringing our troops home is a good thing?
    You tell me. 'Cause I don't know and don't understand why you would ask that.
    I may be wrong.

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