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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    A moot point. Both governments acknowledge the pullout. The US and Iraq could not agree on legal immunity for US military personnel in-theater. Remaining in Iraq would have exposed American soldiers to possible arrest, prosecution, and penalties under Iraqi civil/criminal laws. Such a situation is untenable.
    Exactly. The primary impetus on them being pulled out by the end of the year was the Iraqi government. The Iraqi's were demanding unreasonable terms for US troops to stay beyond that point, and I agree that we should not have accepted those terms. Made the decision pretty easy IMMHO.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The only factor being ignored is that the war with Iraq ended in 2003. Our troop presence there has been no different than the troop presence in Germany and Japan post WW2. We have not been fighting Iraq...we have in fact been fighting beside and training with Iraqis for 7 years now. And IF we are just now ending our 'war'...then who has been the opponent and on what standard do we declare victory?

    It is 8 years too late in coming for a time certain withdrawal. The Iraqi people should have been given 5 years to stand up a government, police force, and military and been given the call to support and defend their country against terrorists. If the terrorists are just laying back in wait til we leave, that will be great. It will give the Iraqis the time they need to stage their peacekeeping operations. This should have been done years ago. Kudos at least to Obama for following through on the withdrawal plan.
    Out-freakin'-standing. Obama pulls our forces out just like he promised, but figures out a way to leave a force to cover the withdrawal. Nice. Who said Obama was stupid? Looks to me like he knows how to listen to his experts. There won't be any mad scramble to get in the planes while artillery rounds are falling like in Vietnam.

    We'll need some kind of presence there - can't avoid that - so leaving mercenaries behind to hold the fort is very good. You can be certain a lot of those mercs are ex special forces so you can be certain those guys are very very good. In some ways they'll be better than the regular army. They'll be lighter and faster with a much shorter chain of command which permits quick responses. They'll do a good job.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Exactly, it is Bush's deadline, not Obama's. Imagine if Obama ran on Bush's deadline in 2008? The left would have went ape-**** and Obama would have never been elected. I bet Obama will use this decision in an advantageous manner to garner political support, as I bet that many "anti-war" leftist will overlook the fact the Obama is leaving behind 5,500 mercenaries.
    American Troops Leaving Iraq, But 5,500 Mercenaries Are Staying Behind
    Yes, it was Bush's decision, but Obama tried to extend the agreement and the Iraqis didn't want any part of it. They want us gone.

    Most, if not all, of those running for POTUS are saying Obama is doing the wrong thing by leaving They're idiots and on the wrong side of the issue.



    Romney Opposes Troop Withdrawal From Iraq (UPDATED) | ThinkProgress


    “President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women. The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq.”


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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    #1. President Bush signed an agreemant with Iraq, promising to remove all forces by 12/31/2011.

    #2. President Obama tried to negotiate keeping a few thousand troops in Iraq after this date, just incase of a flare-up in violence.

    #3. The Iraqi Parliament and President REFUSED to grant any continud American presence, immunity from prosecution...as we have now.

    #4. President Obama, looking out for the best interest of our troops, decided that making us vulnerable to Iraqi prosecution while trying to protect Iraq, was unacceptable. Therefore, the withdrawal would be completed by 12/31/2011 as agreed.

    I'm sorry...but what exactly did Obama do wrong here? Do you WANT troops to be tried in barbaric Iraqi courts for the slightest infraction of their laws???



    ...oh and btw, several thousand private American security forces will stay in Iraq, along with a contingent of American military to protect the very large American embassy....along with probably some special-ops folks to take out any terrorists we locate.



    all-in-all...I think Obama has come up with a great plan.
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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Do you WANT troops to be tried in barbaric Iraqi courts for the slightest infraction of their laws???
    But, but, but I thought we liberated Iraq from tyrannical rule by spreading liberty and democracy. Are you saying that this is not the case?

    all-in-all...I think Obama has come up with a great plan.
    Obama's plan looks eerily similar to the previous administration's plan. Shouldn't these accolades be raining down on Bush rather than Obama?

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    ..Obama's plan looks eerily similar to the previous administration's plan. Shouldn't these accolades be raining down on Bush rather than Obama?
    Bush didn't set up a plan that would allow hundreds if not 1,000 American troops to stay behind to protect our embassy. He also didn't set up a plan to keep thousand of private defense contractors to stick around. And he didn't create the plan to keep a few special-ops around.

    That was Obama's doing. Bush simply signed a document and left the next POTUS to do the hard work.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Bush didn't set up a plan that would allow hundreds if not 1,000 American troops to stay behind to protect our embassy. He also didn't set up a plan to keep thousand of private defense contractors to stick around. And he didn't create the plan to keep a few special-ops around.

    That was Obama's doing. Bush simply signed a document and left the next POTUS to do the hard work.
    I'd hardly call this "hard work"...

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'd hardly call this "hard work"...
    negotiating with the Iraqi PM to keep a contingent of US forces in a foreign country with immunity isn't work?

    what do you call it then?

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    negotiating with the Iraqi PM to keep a contingent of US forces in a foreign country with immunity isn't work?

    what do you call it then?
    Not when you have people in the State Department to do it for you...in any case they were unable to reach an agreement, so the "hard work" went absolutely nowhere. Which is not exactly a bad thing.

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    Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Bush didn't set up a plan that would allow hundreds if not 1,000 American troops to stay behind to protect our embassy. He also didn't set up a plan to keep thousand of private defense contractors to stick around. And he didn't create the plan to keep a few special-ops around.

    That was Obama's doing. Bush simply signed a document and left the next POTUS to do the hard work.
    I think when you say embassy, you mean a compound which is a more accurate description of that building over in Baghdad. Do you really think that using hired mercenaries was something that Bush wouldn't resort to? Bush set up this plan and Obama followed through.

    Thank goodness for the vision of Bush because then Obama wouldn't have a blueprint to follow.
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