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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There aren't any democracies in the Arab world period, secular or otherwise. Lebanon and Iraq have the contours of democracy, but even there the people don't truly have much say in who leads them. Hopefully that will soon change with Tunisia, Egypt, and possibly Jordan holding free and fair elections...but whether the government that emerges is secular or Islamist shouldn't really be our main concern. It's far more important that the government that emerges is stable, committed to democracy, at peace internally and with its neighbors, and is able to get its economy back on track.
    So Islamists have sabotaged every other attempt at democracy, but will let this one work?

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

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    So Islamists have sabotaged every other attempt at democracy, but will let this one work?

    Shazam.
    I see no evidence that they've "sabotaged every other attempt at democracy." There is a reasonably well-functioning democracy in Turkey that's ruled by an Islamist Party. It's not perfect, but it's much more democratic than any of the Arab countries. In fact, there isn't one Arab leader today who was elected in a free and fair election...and most of these leaders are secular. If anyone has sabotaged attempts at democracy, it is these despots who have intentionally destroyed all their secular competition so that they can say "It's either us or the big scary Islamists."
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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    When the Scottish freed the Lockerbie bomber people in the states ( especially the GOP) were up in arms, disgusted that they would free the man and send him back to Libya who were seen as a corrupt regime and gaddafi the terriost backing leader. Now the regime has been toppled and Gaddafi is dead all you do is complain about how it is unjust it all is and how the rebels are no better, you people confuse me.

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I see no evidence that they've "sabotaged every other attempt at democracy." There is a reasonably well-functioning democracy in Turkey that's ruled by an Islamist Party. It's not perfect, but it's much more democratic than any of the secular states in the Arab world. In fact, the Arab world is awash with dictators right now, most of whom are secular. If anyone has sabotaged attempts at democracy, it is these despots who have intentionally destroyed all their secular competition so that they can say "It's either us or the big scary Islamists."
    That's a sweet dream world.

    When the parliaments get blown up or the elected representatives assassinated, which God do the perps invariably pray to?

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    That's a sweet dream world.

    When the parliaments get blown up or the elected representatives assassinated, which God do the perps invariably pray to?

    Its funny the British government said the same thing when the revoultion started here, they were seen dangerous crinimals who wanted to replace the old order in Europe and would lead us all to ruin. Seemed to have worked out ok.

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    That's a sweet dream world.

    When the parliaments get blown up or the elected representatives assassinated,
    There is plenty of violence emanating from secular Arab dictatorships too. Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Egypt under Hosni Mubarak, Libya under Gaddafi, Yemen under Saleh, and Palestine under the Fatah Party, etc. Secular leadership in each case. The problem isn't whether the country has a secular government or an Islamist government, it's whether it has a competent government that can keep the economy growing and where people are able to address their grievances in a constructive way rather than through assassinations and terrorism.

    which God do the perps invariably pray to?
    What does that have to do with anything?
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    There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

    You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

    You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.
    There is no data to say they wont either...
    They havent even been given a chance in Egypt yet...


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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

    You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.
    are all Irish terriosts based on the actions of the IRA?

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    http://www.foxnews.com/

    Here's a very powerful video of him being capture before he was killed. I'm thinking this sends a very powerful message to other dictators....when your country is finally brave enough to want to overthrow you...get out.
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