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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    I disagree, at least for my part. The Libya operation had

    ~ UN mandate
    ~ Support from Arab Nations
    ~ an internal rebellion
    ~ was requested by the Libyan themselves
    ~ a coherant plan
    ~ worked extensively and in tune with the NTC
    ~ no shock and awe with careful surgical like attacks, hence fewer civilian casualties by our part
    ~ no ground troops (therefore the Libyan people OWNED their revolution)

    Iraq had none of this.

    It says alot for the Bush Administration's ineptness that the Libya operation was the exact opposite of the Iraq operation and it worked so damned well. This my friend is what happens when liberals do regime change hehe.
    Iraq had most of those elements also, but that's not the point.

    What would have been your reaction if Bush had killed an American citizen?

    What would have been your reaction if Bush repeatedly invaded a sovereign nation's (Pakistan) airspace and attacked their citizens?

    What would have been your reaction if Bush had increased forces in Afghanistan as Obama did?

    I could go on, but hopefully you get the point. (hint: the point is hypocrisy)

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Obama is tight with Pakistan...

    Was that before or after he violated their sovereignty by launching a strike in the middle of their country to kill Bin Laden.

    Erod, almost every single attack you make on the president sounds so contrived and desperate you've never been worth taking seriously... well ever.
    Around here, no. Of course, this forum has devolved into an Occupy Wall Street chat club. So comments like that are reassuring, to be sure. God help me if I ever regress to your ilk.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to paying everyone's taxes. Most here do not.
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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    i wish ı were able to believe that American government and nato killed Kaddafi just for democracy....just a wish..

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    The Muslim who shot up all those people at Ft Hood told us who he was.

    The US government didn't believe him.
    Yes, that's truly amazing. They will practice political correctness to the point that even when they are being openly threatened they will sit like birds on a branch, willing to be knocked off rather than offend.

    There appears to be an unrealistic optimism based on nothing more than hope, that more sophisticated Gaddafis and Saddams won't rise to take their place. That there will be a truly "Arab Spring".

    If it comes down to a matter of who has the stronger beliefs and are willing to sacrifice their lives to defend them, the answer seems clear.

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    i wish ı were able to believe that American government and nato killed Kaddafi just for democracy....just a wish..
    Did they ever give a clear reason?

    The US President by-passed Congress, claimed they were leading from the rear, etc. and don't appear to have any post-Gadaffi plan at all. Perhaps the French and British might have have put some thought into it though, especially the French

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    So Obama did in less than one term than what Reagan couldn't do in two terms. Get rid of Bin Laden and Gaddafi.
    Why would Reagan go after Bin Laden? And of course his bombing of Tripoli slowed Gadaffai right down at the time.


    I am actually very confident about Libya despite all the doom mongers. The genie is out of the bottle in the ME, people are not afraid anymore. If any islamist starts to trample on their rights they will just rise up again.
    Yeah, and how's that worked for them so far? When democracy was being introduced in Iraq many in the West, especially among the left, downplayed and ridiculed the entire idea. Why would they now support the idea of democracy in the Middle East? This is an opening the Islamists and Iran will not ignore.

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Iraq had most of those elements also, but that's not the point.
    No, it really didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What would have been your reaction if Bush had killed an American citizen?
    He killed alot of them in Texas, didn't really mind (unless they were innocent).
    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What would have been your reaction if Bush repeatedly invaded a sovereign nation's (Pakistan) airspace and attacked their citizens?
    To kill Bin Laden, wouldn't have minded it all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What would have been your reaction if Bush had increased forces in Afghanistan as Obama did?
    I was for Bush's war in Afghanistan, unfortunately his admin fubar'ed it up like every foreign policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I could go on, but hopefully you get the point. (hint: the point is hypocrisy)
    I have supported Republican wars and I have supported Democrat wars, I look at each conflict on its merits and disadvantages. What is surprising to me is how the neo-hawks in the last few years have become neo-chickens since a democrat came into office lol.
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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would Reagan go after Bin Laden? And of course his bombing of Tripoli slowed Gadaffai right down at the time.
    It was a joke, I know Reagan and Bin Laden were best friends.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Yeah, and how's that worked for them so far? When democracy was being introduced in Iraq many in the West, especially among the left, downplayed and ridiculed the entire idea. Why would they now support the idea of democracy in the Middle East? This is an opening the Islamists and Iran will not ignore.
    Well I can't speak for any other "left" person, but I have been saying (since the 6 years I have been here), that democracy can come to the ME, but it HAS to be the people of the ME who do it, not outside influences. Though I have to admit I wasn't expecting this Arab spring, was quite a nice surprise.

    I actually have quite alot of hope for Libya, more so that I have for Egypt.

    You have to understand that Arabs are a very proud people. When Iraq was invaded, sure they were happy that Saddam was gone, however THEY did not do it, a foreign army did it. While it was good Saddam was gone, they felt humilated and some turned angry.

    When I see waving flags of green, black and red in masses in Tripoli, I didn't see that in Baghdad, when I see Libyans cleaning their streets, I seen Iraqis leave their streets to rot, when I see Libyans helping each other out with the water shortage, I seen Iraqi's looting. Do you know why?

    Because in Libya, it was THEIR revolution. Sure we helped, but the western governments were clever to not do too much, we did just enough to make sure Libyans were in control. Sure it cost lives, but it was Libyans risking THEIR life for freedom, it was THEIR sacrifices, it was THEIR victories.

    And whats more, every Libyan had a hand in it.
    Benghazi FF started the revolution
    Misrata FF ensured its survival
    Nafusa mountains FF made it victorious
    and Tripoli FF finished it off.

    Everyone has a stake to make sure this does well. Everyone has sacrificed. I can't say the same for the Iraqis. That's why I am hopeful for Libya.

    And you overplay Iran, the Iranian theocracy is not long for this world.
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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    So much for him being shot while trying to flee the scene...

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    Re: Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    It was a joke, I know Reagan and Bin Laden were best friends.
    And another joke.

    It's difficult to tell when you Brits are joking or serious. It's better to assume you're always just joking.

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